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[Trevor]

Good to see you back, John. While the assassination attempts horrifies me, it is not something that came as a surprise. A centimeter to the left, and things would have been much worse. Trump's going to win in November and even the Democrats are resigning themselves to it.

I still think a civil war unlikely, but I've noticed a tone shift. A few years ago, most of those consumed with hate were leftists who wanted to bring Trump down, any means necessary. I don't even think it's Trump so much as no Republican was ever supposed to win again. Changing demographics were supposed to allow a permanent majority, yet minorities are starting to turn away from Democrats.

Since 2020, though, the right's gotten every bit as bloodthirsty. Before, I saw horrible comments but far more said: "Let's not lower ourselves to their level." That has changed, and this time around, I expect Trump will be more ruthless. Not the kind of hysteria like rounding up 20 million Hispanics, throwing them in Gulags, shooting any who dare to protest, But even people who don't like him disapprove of what's happened over the last few years. Democrats are panicking and desperate, so who knows what their next act will be?

Once we start seeing violence as an acceptable tool in politics, it's very, very difficult to go back.

[FullMoon]

Once we start seeing violence as an acceptable tool in politics, it's very, very difficult to go back.

It appears that domestic and international politics are nearing the end of using words to settle conflicts. It's supposed to be the nature of peak crisis when sides become too entrenched and are unwilling to budge or let the other side gain ground.

Neil Howe explained it well enough in this good interview.

https://youtu.be/F9yjh7iO3tI?si=hQKbKZ-xI3fDxjwG

We've been expecting an external conflict and it's coming together as expected. China is getting rapidly more belligerent while they've got a collapsing economy and unruly populace. The whole world is falling apart and resorting to war. John said it'll worse than WW2 and there's no reason to think it won't be coming to our shores as opposed to the last war.

[Navigator]

A few years ago, most of those consumed with hate were leftists who wanted to bring Trump down, any means necessary. I don't even think it's Trump so much as no Republican was ever supposed to win again. Changing demographics were supposed to allow a permanent majority, yet minorities are starting to turn away from Democrats.

Since 2020, though, the right's gotten every bit as bloodthirsty. Before, I saw horrible comments but far more said: "Let's not lower ourselves to their level." That has changed, and this time around, I expect Trump will be more ruthless. Not the kind of hysteria like rounding up 20 million Hispanics, throwing them in Gulags, shooting any who dare to protest, But even people who don't like him disapprove of what's happened over the last few years. Democrats are panicking and desperate, so who knows what their next act will be?

Once we start seeing violence as an acceptable tool in politics, it's very, very difficult to go back.

I would say that prior to this, we had "Bush Derangement Syndrome", and the supposition that he stole the 2000 election. So this has been brewing for quite some time.

I definitely agree that for Trump, the gloves are going to come off when he gets back into Office, which is now almost a certainty given the assassination attempt and Biden implosion. He will go after them just as they have gone after him. And then some.

The root cause of this (and it was going on way before Trump) is the left's desire to Force everyone to accept their agendas.

[NoMansLand]

Since 2020, though, the right's gotten every bit as bloodthirsty. Before, I saw horrible comments but far more said: "Let's not lower ourselves to their level." That has changed,

I know some folks that have undergone this shift, to different degrees. I have heard some variation on the same idea from most of them. They have decided that the lefties were right all along.

Holding fire-y but mostly peaceful "rallies", ballot harvesting, weaponizing the federal agencies, setting up their own "sovereign safe spaces" and fomenting lawlessness. Not out in the middle of nowhere (like lovely Boundary County Idaho) but in public parks and city streets, then using the loyal media to minimize or glorify it all while threatening any outlet who strays from the talking points. Waving pages of signatures from "Top Men" declaring the anti-gov heresy "dangerous misinformation". It turns out achieving goals, even conflicting ones, has consistently beaten being the better man so maybe we should start doing the same.

Practical has been kicking the crap out of Principled for so long that eyes are starting to open to the fact that you can't stand for anything if your dead. These folks feel like they have run out of cheeks to turn. None of them enjoys the thought of sinking to "their" level, but at some point you have had enough. We aren't there yet. However, knowing the best way to deal with a potentially violent situation is to remove yourself from it, and knowing that can't happen on this scale makes me concerned for when we do get there.

[FullMoon]

I know some folks that have undergone this shift, to different degrees. I have heard some variation on the same idea from most of them. They have decided that the lefties were right all along.

Leftism ONLY knows destruction. They claim to have plans for a "better world" but in the historical cases we have privy to. Utopian society is always ahead but never achieved, whilst all those in the way must be removed.
This isn't anything worthy of emulation.
But safeguarding your life and family are necessary. Where were the heroes when FORCE was used to injure and kill many during the "vaccination" experiment of Covid. Left/Right are just two sides of dummies that don't realize they're constantly played in a bigger game as pawns. It's a game as old as history. The harder it is to keep it together makes bolder moves necessary and harsher outcomes for the people.

[FullMoon]

I definitely agree that for Trump, the gloves are going to come off when he gets back into Office, which is now almost a certainty given the assassination attempt and Biden implosion. He will go after them just as they have gone after him. And then some.

For this reason they'll have a strong motive to try again. Or have something come up that necessitates the postponement of "elections". Ukraine is experimenting with this currently.
People didn't like Bush because he sacrificed thousands of good Americans and drained the Treasury for the profit motive of his class and clan.
Using Force will be employed by the Right just as eagerly as the Left. We're in the extreme phase of this crisis and people will resort to any method to get their way. Including warfare with all the fancy new ways of bringing the death lust into this world from the depths of Hell.

[Navigator]

So now it's Kamala. Didn't even make it to the first primary as a candidate in 2016. I think she is the sacrificial lamb if she is the nominee. But there will probably be a convention fight. We could use a Dem implosion to help get them out of the way for when the war starts.

[Bob Butler]

Yes, the Dems got rid of their getting too old candidate. The Republicans likely can't at this point. They want the MAGA votes too much. So, it becomes the former prosecutor against the current felon? I just hope the Chicago convention isn't as big a mess as it was in 1968.

[Trevor]

I'm aware during the 2000s, there were those who thought Bush cheated his way into the election. However, they were very much on the fringe. After 2016, dozens of Democrats refused to attend his inauguration, tried to reverse the results of the Electoral College, and spent years declaring him to be a Russian asset. When I mention both sides have issues with election denial, the answer is almost inevitably: "Trump deserves it, because it's true." Those same people considered the assassination attempt to be karma.

Biden might be out, but I don't think Kamala would be able to win either. Despite the media pushing KamalaMania in 2020, she didn't even make it to Iowa during the primaries. Sure, Trump is now the old one, but she's as unpopular as Biden, perhaps a little more so.

Democrats are losing the Hispanic and even the black vote, contrary to the belief that changing demographics would lead to a permanent majority. As it turns out, they by and large don't support open borders, care about the economy, suffer from inflation, etc.

[Navigator]

Trevor - Yes, you are pointing out the consistent hypocrisy of the liberal left.

On another note, I saw an article giving the Dems great advise. I think it was in "The Hill". It said that the Dems should get Romney to be their nominee. They would pick up at least a third of Republicans and win decisively. Of course they won't do that.

Right now they are the party subverting democracy by bypassing their primary process and deciding on a nominee that would never have made it through any kind of electoral nominating process.

I would hope that Manchin makes a concerted effort, but at this point I am pretty sure that the leftist elite (Obamas, Clintons, Soros') will make the decision on who to back.