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[Another guest]

I know this poll is nearly three years old, but it’s still damning even today.

News: If North Korea and Japan Went to War, More South Koreans Would Back Kim Jong Un, Poll Shows

https://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-ja ... 0235?amp=1

The survey posed a hypothetical situation--one where the two Koreas and Japan existed in a parallel universe that did not include China or Russia. The pollsters were looking for a specific answer and so they keep phrasing the question in a way that allowed them to get the answer they were looking for.

I could ask people: If the French turned into cannibalistic zombies and were preparing to attack the United States, would you join forces with the Taliban to defeat France if no other country were willing to help America?

You see how that works?

[richard5za]

Does anyone have any news on John? Which hospital did he go to?

[Cool Breeze]

Russia has far more munitions, and it's not even close. The US and NATO hollowed out all production capacity long ago, which is why this is so stupid. But Ukrainians can keep dying since the west's sick leaders want to control global energy and make their people submit to the green plan/reset. Great job understanding this, guys.

Cuba was at least a technical border with the US. We are on Russia's borders constantly doing crazy, stupid stuff. See above for why.

[Xeraphim1]

I love how it's always a puppet if you are pro US/NATO and then when Zelensky gets in (with his billions and mansions in the west and Panama papers) he's somehow "legit." None of these lies are fooling anybody. You all are so disingenuous. So the US and NATO did nothing to provoke Russia? It's laughable and just devoid of all facts. John Mearsheimer, I bet, is a "Russian troll" too, right? Do you all want to disregard the facts entirely? Notice that I never call you names like troll, but you do the equivalent of what you claim.

It's only "provocation" if you assume that Russia has some right to determine the political leadership and/or alliances of countries that neighbor it. Since most people reject that assumption, no, there was no provocation. Russia can form alliances with any other country it wants and doing so would not give the US or any other country the right to attack it.

For certain people Russia exists in a special category where it needs to be catered to. I reject that as do most other people in the world.

[Xeraphim1]

Russia has far more munitions, and it's not even close. The US and NATO hollowed out all production capacity long ago, which is why this is so stupid. But Ukrainians can keep dying since the west's sick leaders want to control global energy and make their people submit to the green plan/reset. Great job understanding this, guys.

Cuba was at least a technical border with the US. We are on Russia's borders constantly doing crazy, stupid stuff. See above for why.

Russia (and the USSR before it) never threw away anything. You can judge by the T-62 tanks pulled out of storage weeks ago. Yes, Russia does have mountains of artillery shells, but how many of them are useful given the typical Russian lack of maintenance? In terms of precision weapons Russia is very short and has been almost from the start. Russian aircraft launch strikes using unguided iron bombs, something Western air forces stopped doing 25-30 years ago. The inherent inaccuracy means that the chance of hitting targets is very much reduced meaning either the target survives or more sorties are needed to hit it and every additional sortie means additional chance to be shot down or suffer mechanical issues. Not to mention the fact of additional time on the airframe. Russian aircraft have a low MTBF, much less than Western aircraft so you're looking at additional maintenance work.

In terms of advanced weapons, Russia started with a shortage and has expended much of what it can spare since it needs to keep some in reserve in case something bad happens. Production has cratered because a lot of the components needed are imported and oops, they can't buy them anymore! Plus the incredible failure rate, for some types up to 60%. Of the few kinds still available, they are wasting them on strikes that accomplish little. Look at the Kalibr strikes that end up hitting shopping malls and apartment buildings.

The US and Europe will need to scale up production to make up for the transfers, but keep in mind that there weapons aren't being thrown away. They're doing what they were designed to; destroying the Russian military and no American or other NATO troops are dying in the process. Not so great for the Ukrainians, but they'd be fighting anyways.

Ukrainians are dying because Russians are killing them. Period. If Russia withdrew to its own country there would be no more war. You seem to not understand this simple fact.

[Cool Breeze]

I love how it's always a puppet if you are pro US/NATO and then when Zelensky gets in (with his billions and mansions in the west and Panama papers) he's somehow "legit." None of these lies are fooling anybody. You all are so disingenuous. So the US and NATO did nothing to provoke Russia? It's laughable and just devoid of all facts. John Mearsheimer, I bet, is a "Russian troll" too, right? Do you all want to disregard the facts entirely? Notice that I never call you names like troll, but you do the equivalent of what you claim.

It's only "provocation" if you assume that Russia has some right to determine the political leadership and/or alliances of countries that neighbor it. Since most people reject that assumption, no, there was no provocation. Russia can form alliances with any other country it wants and doing so would not give the US or any other country the right to attack it.

For certain people Russia exists in a special category where it needs to be catered to. I reject that as do most other people in the world.

Why does the US/NATO have the right to influence and depose/coup elected leaders? Because you say they are "Russian stooges"? How convenient.

[Guest]

Russia has far more munitions, and it's not even close. The US and NATO hollowed out all production capacity long ago, which is why this is so stupid. But Ukrainians can keep dying since the west's sick leaders want to control global energy and make their people submit to the green plan/reset. Great job understanding this, guys.

Cuba was at least a technical border with the US. We are on Russia's borders constantly doing crazy, stupid stuff. See above for why.

Russia suffers ‘wild shell hunger’ as Ukraine hits arms depots with long-range Western rockets
Vladimir Putin’s forces face ‘out of the blue’ ammunition shortages as warehouses destroyed ‘one by one’ using Himar and MLRS weapons

Not according to the Daily Telegraph. The Ukrainians have blown up dozens of ammo dumps in the last few days.

[Xeraphim1]

I love how it's always a puppet if you are pro US/NATO and then when Zelensky gets in (with his billions and mansions in the west and Panama papers) he's somehow "legit." None of these lies are fooling anybody. You all are so disingenuous. So the US and NATO did nothing to provoke Russia? It's laughable and just devoid of all facts. John Mearsheimer, I bet, is a "Russian troll" too, right? Do you all want to disregard the facts entirely? Notice that I never call you names like troll, but you do the equivalent of what you claim.

It's only "provocation" if you assume that Russia has some right to determine the political leadership and/or alliances of countries that neighbor it. Since most people reject that assumption, no, there was no provocation. Russia can form alliances with any other country it wants and doing so would not give the US or any other country the right to attack it.

For certain people Russia exists in a special category where it needs to be catered to. I reject that as do most other people in the world.

Why does the US/NATO have the right to influence and depose/coup elected leaders? Because you say they are "Russian stooges"? How convenient.

You are making the same false argument that the EuroMaidan protests were orchestrated by the US/NATO. Repeating it does not magically make it true. You have to come up without something else.

[JDav]

I love how it's always a puppet if you are pro US/NATO and then when Zelensky gets in (with his billions and mansions in the west and Panama papers) he's somehow "legit." None of these lies are fooling anybody. You all are so disingenuous. So the US and NATO did nothing to provoke Russia? It's laughable and just devoid of all facts. John Mearsheimer, I bet, is a "Russian troll" too, right? Do you all want to disregard the facts entirely? Notice that I never call you names like troll, but you do the equivalent of what you claim.

It's only "provocation" if you assume that Russia has some right to determine the political leadership and/or alliances of countries that neighbor it. Since most people reject that assumption, no, there was no provocation. Russia can form alliances with any other country it wants and doing so would not give the US or any other country the right to attack it.

For certain people Russia exists in a special category where it needs to be catered to. I reject that as do most other people in the world.

And you're saying the US has never done that? And doesn't still do that? Why is this particular hill the one you want to die on? Are you as passionate about the Uighers in China (or any other victims of Chinese aggression/oppression)? Or Afghanistan? Or the rampant drug abuse/human trafficking in this country? Why are you only selectively concerned about the evils that occur on a daily basis around the world?

Wars of conquest/self-preservation have been going on since the dawn of time, and will continue until the end of time. Every geographical boundary currently in existence was created that way, so by your logic every nation on earth was founded on evil. So, what difference does it make whether Russia or Ukraine is victorious? God will sort out the good from the evil.

The main thing I get from Ukraine is that a certain president's son, and others in the political/elite class, have made a lot of money there and are trying to protect their investments.

Putin is clearly evil, but there is enough of that to go around, even in the US. Financial policy that benefits and props up the politician's cronies but devastates the average American; immigration policy that encourages human and drug smuggling that destroys individuals and families, while creating a permanent underclass of near-slave labor; Covid policy that was nothing more than a totalitarian power grab (and turns out to be more harmful than helpful to most people); entitlement/social policies designed to decimate black families and enslave the poor, etc., etc., etc. There is a war of conquest going on in this country, too; it's just that the weapons are different.

Questioning US/NATO motives for getting involved in the Russian/Ukrainian conflict does not make one a Russian troll. It does, however, raise philosophical questions that some may find difficult to face. Your answers may differ from mine, or CB's, but they are no less valid.

[Xeraphim1]

I love how it's always a puppet if you are pro US/NATO and then when Zelensky gets in (with his billions and mansions in the west and Panama papers) he's somehow "legit." None of these lies are fooling anybody. You all are so disingenuous. So the US and NATO did nothing to provoke Russia? It's laughable and just devoid of all facts. John Mearsheimer, I bet, is a "Russian troll" too, right? Do you all want to disregard the facts entirely? Notice that I never call you names like troll, but you do the equivalent of what you claim.

It's only "provocation" if you assume that Russia has some right to determine the political leadership and/or alliances of countries that neighbor it. Since most people reject that assumption, no, there was no provocation. Russia can form alliances with any other country it wants and doing so would not give the US or any other country the right to attack it.

For certain people Russia exists in a special category where it needs to be catered to. I reject that as do most other people in the world.

And you're saying the US has never done that? And doesn't still do that? Why is this particular hill the one you want to die on? Are you as passionate about the Uighers in China (or any other victims of Chinese aggression/oppression)? Or Afghanistan? Or the rampant drug abuse/human trafficking in this country? Why are you only selectively concerned about the evils that occur on a daily basis around the world?

Wars of conquest/self-preservation have been going on since the dawn of time, and will continue until the end of time. Every geographical boundary currently in existence was created that way, so by your logic every nation on earth was founded on evil. So, what difference does it make whether Russia or Ukraine is victorious? God will sort out the good from the evil.

The main thing I get from Ukraine is that a certain president's son, and others in the political/elite class, have made a lot of money there and are trying to protect their investments.

Putin is clearly evil, but there is enough of that to go around, even in the US. Financial policy that benefits and props up the politician's cronies but devastates the average American; immigration policy that encourages human and drug smuggling that destroys individuals and families, while creating a permanent underclass of near-slave labor; Covid policy that was nothing more than a totalitarian power grab (and turns out to be more harmful than helpful to most people); entitlement/social policies designed to decimate black families and enslave the poor, etc., etc., etc. There is a war of conquest going on in this country, too; it's just that the weapons are different.

Questioning US/NATO motives for getting involved in the Russian/Ukrainian conflict does not make one a Russian troll. It does, however, raise philosophical questions that some may find difficult to face. Your answers may differ from mine, or CB's, but they are no less valid.

Before putting words in my mouth maybe you should ask what my views actually are. I do think that China is an evil authoritarian police state that is subjecting Uighers to genocide. I do think that Afghanistan is a shithole that the US spent two decades and billions of dollars trying to improve for no return. I do think that there are numerous criminal groups importing drugs that kill hundreds of thousands of US citizens. I believe that my views are fairly consistent. I also can walk and chew gum at the same time. Not mentioning other topics does not mean anything other that I haven't commented on them. You've engaged in both straw man argument and false dichotomy arguments. Congratulations!

Yes, Biden's deadbeat son made a lot of money in Ukraine. What does that have to do with the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine? Nothing. This falls under Red Herring.

Trying to equate the "evil" of Russia and the US is an appeal to hypocrisy. But there is no comparison between the two. You can argue that the US should not have invaded Iraq ans Afghanistan and I'd likely agree with you. However, the US did not annex any territory from with of them, poured huge amounts of money into them to make them better places and facilitated free elections. Russia has done none of that. The US made deliberate attempts to limit civilian deaths while Russia deliberately targets civilians while also engaging in murder, rape and looting.

You really should lay off the logical fallacies and try again. Maybe try to stay on topic and not try to bring extraneous issues into it. The fact is that Russia has invaded another country with the initial intention of installing a compliant client government. Captured Russian plans verify this. The goal now seems to be to annex areas of Ukraine after conquering them. Look at the actions of the puppets Russia has installed in various captured regions.