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[El Cid M]

Any news on John?

[Trevor]

However horrible events are in places like Yemen, the Congo, Libya, Ethiopia, and others, it's basically a local problem. It's awful for those enduring it, but doesn't impact the wider world. Ukraine, on the other hand, is the breadbasket of Europe, and many countries throughout the Middle East get much of their food either from Ukraine or Russia.

Putin claimed he had no plans to invade Ukraine, declaring his military to be undergoing an exercise, right up to the moment he attacked. His justifications for his actions, claiming Russians are being persecuted and massacred bear an eerie resemblance to a certain 20th century dictator who took power in Europe.

His invasion brings up the memory of the Second World War. Britain and France could have easily stopped Hitler as late as 1939, when he invaded Poland. They chose not to act and around 40 million died because of it. He was appeased, again and again, which only emboldened him to push further. Doing nothing in the face of aggression encourages further aggression.

There's a reason Eastern Europe has supported Ukraine to the extent that they have, even asking us to take the kind of steps we've been unwilling to. They spent 45 years under the Soviet boot, within living memory for most alive today. They have good reason to fear Russia's imperial ambitions, having experienced them first-hand. They clamored to join NATO the instant they could, desperate not to go through such a thing again, and Putin's invasion reminds me why the alliance formed in the first place.

Sure, such horrible events sound impossible to us now. Putin couldn't be crazy or brutal enough to start a major war. Well, our great-grandparents thought the same thing. They couldn't believe anybody would want another world war, and combined with guilt over how they treated Germany (The Treaty of Versailles was harsh, but the terms Germany demanded of Russia in Brest-Litovsk were downright Carthaginian), let Hitler re-arm and rebuild until it was impossible to ignore.

So however flawed and corrupt Ukraine might be, yes, I'll support them. I'd rather stop Russia here than have to send troops into war in Poland and/or the Baltic States if Putin succeeds in his goals.

[spottybrowncow]

Agree.

[Guest]

However horrible events are in places like Yemen, the Congo, Libya, Ethiopia, and others, it's basically a local problem. It's awful for those enduring it, but doesn't impact the wider world. Ukraine, on the other hand, is the breadbasket of Europe, and many countries throughout the Middle East get much of their food either from Ukraine or Russia.

Putin claimed he had no plans to invade Ukraine, declaring his military to be undergoing an exercise, right up to the moment he attacked. His justifications for his actions, claiming Russians are being persecuted and massacred bear an eerie resemblance to a certain 20th century dictator who took power in Europe.

His invasion brings up the memory of the Second World War. Britain and France could have easily stopped Hitler as late as 1939, when he invaded Poland. They chose not to act and around 40 million died because of it. He was appeased, again and again, which only emboldened him to push further. Doing nothing in the face of aggression encourages further aggression.

There's a reason Eastern Europe has supported Ukraine to the extent that they have, even asking us to take the kind of steps we've been unwilling to. They spent 45 years under the Soviet boot, within living memory for most alive today. They have good reason to fear Russia's imperial ambitions, having experienced them first-hand. They clamored to join NATO the instant they could, desperate not to go through such a thing again, and Putin's invasion reminds me why the alliance formed in the first place.

Sure, such horrible events sound impossible to us now. Putin couldn't be crazy or brutal enough to start a major war. Well, our great-grandparents thought the same thing. They couldn't believe anybody would want another world war, and combined with guilt over how they treated Germany (The Treaty of Versailles was harsh, but the terms Germany demanded of Russia in Brest-Litovsk were downright Carthaginian), let Hitler re-arm and rebuild until it was impossible to ignore.

So however flawed and corrupt Ukraine might be, yes, I'll support them. I'd rather stop Russia here than have to send troops into war in Poland and/or the Baltic States if Putin succeeds in his goals.

Defeat and break Russia up.

[Tom Mazanec]

Growing Number Of CEOs Asking About Risk Of War Between China & Taiwan
BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, JUL 15, 2022 - 02:28 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/consu ... -briefings

EUROPE POLITICS
A second wave of Russians is fleeing Putin’s regime
PUBLISHED THU, JUL 14 20221:24 AM EDTUPDATED THU, JUL 14 20223:15 PM EDT
Karen Gilchrist
@_KARENGILCHRIST
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/14/russian ... ation.html

Ukraine braces for 'next stage' of Russian offensive | DW News
28,673 viewsJul 17, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLhxTM7jSqE

[Cool Breeze]

However horrible events are in places like Yemen, the Congo, Libya, Ethiopia, and others, it's basically a local problem. It's awful for those enduring it, but doesn't impact the wider world. Ukraine, on the other hand, is the breadbasket of Europe, and many countries throughout the Middle East get much of their food either from Ukraine or Russia.

Putin claimed he had no plans to invade Ukraine, declaring his military to be undergoing an exercise, right up to the moment he attacked. His justifications for his actions, claiming Russians are being persecuted and massacred bear an eerie resemblance to a certain 20th century dictator who took power in Europe.

His invasion brings up the memory of the Second World War. Britain and France could have easily stopped Hitler as late as 1939, when he invaded Poland. They chose not to act and around 40 million died because of it. He was appeased, again and again, which only emboldened him to push further. Doing nothing in the face of aggression encourages further aggression.

There's a reason Eastern Europe has supported Ukraine to the extent that they have, even asking us to take the kind of steps we've been unwilling to. They spent 45 years under the Soviet boot, within living memory for most alive today. They have good reason to fear Russia's imperial ambitions, having experienced them first-hand. They clamored to join NATO the instant they could, desperate not to go through such a thing again, and Putin's invasion reminds me why the alliance formed in the first place.

Sure, such horrible events sound impossible to us now. Putin couldn't be crazy or brutal enough to start a major war. Well, our great-grandparents thought the same thing. They couldn't believe anybody would want another world war, and combined with guilt over how they treated Germany (The Treaty of Versailles was harsh, but the terms Germany demanded of Russia in Brest-Litovsk were downright Carthaginian), let Hitler re-arm and rebuild until it was impossible to ignore.

So however flawed and corrupt Ukraine might be, yes, I'll support them. I'd rather stop Russia here than have to send troops into war in Poland and/or the Baltic States if Putin succeeds in his goals.

Defeat and break Russia up.

That's the idea. The fact that you have no idea how much worse of a world this makes for, shows that you (like most moderns) have no idea of what you don't know.

[Tom Mazanec]

So what exactly does he not know, Cool Breeze? Or by pointing to him are you pointing three fingers at yourself?

[Tom Mazanec]

How Our World and Age will Collapse Very Soon.
512,281 viewsJul 8, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvDM8J9vQ0

POLITICS
Russia strikes south Ukraine city, presses attacks in the east
PUBLISHED SUN, JUL 17 20227:23 AM EDTUPDATED SUN, JUL 17 20224:32 PM EDT
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/17/russia- ... -east.html

Republicans wince as their Ukrainian-born colleague thrashes Zelenskyy
By ANDREW DESIDERIO and OLIVIA BEAVERS
07/15/2022 04:30 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/1 ... y-00045949

Khamenei adviser says Tehran 'capable of building nuclear bomb'
By REUTERS, JERUSALEM POST STAFF Published: JULY 17, 2022 16:35
Updated: JULY 17, 2022 19:22
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east-news/ ... cle-712327

[JDav]

So what exactly does he not know, Cool Breeze? Or by pointing to him are you pointing three fingers at yourself?

I can't speak for CB, but he may be referring to the horrors of a possible world war, which would make Russia/Ukraine seem like a playground tussle.

My grandfather fought in WWI and raised a large family during the Depression and WWII. My father lived through those times and fought in Korea. My father-in-law fought in the Pacific during WWII - the Battle of Midway, Guadalcanal, etc. Hearing their tales of horrors abroad and hardships at home, I am reluctant to rush headlong into another world war, which seems to me the logical conclusion to the actions being taken thus far.

Not saying I don’t expect it to happen, nor that we shouldn’t prepare for it, just that it should be our last resort, not first. I think it odd that we rushed into Ukraine so quickly, without even a thought for “diplomacy”, which is typically the first, last, and only tool of the left’s foreign policy. It just doesn’t add up.

When I see the lengths that the left went to in trying to overthrow our government during the Trump administration, and the naked power grab that was Covid, and the abysmal poll numbers for Democrats right now, it makes me wonder if they might possibly be willing to risk world war as a means of staying in power. I don’t have access to any secret memos outlining their strategy, I just don’t trust the government and the media as much as some.

If we are so concerned about Ukraine, why didn’t we ever allow them into NATO? We teased them for years but never followed through. If we had, then we’d be obligated to help them now and wouldn’t be having this debate. We were cruel to them then, and we’re being cruel now, giving them enough to continue piling up dead bodies but not enough to end the conflict. We should either urge them to negotiate peace, or have a real debate and a formal declaration of war to defeat the Russians, and accept the consequences for whichever path we take. This proxy war BS is evil, and wrong.

[Xeraphim1]

If we are so concerned about Ukraine, why didn’t we ever allow them into NATO? We teased them for years but never followed through. If we had, then we’d be obligated to help them now and wouldn’t be having this debate. We were cruel to them then, and we’re being cruel now, giving them enough to continue piling up dead bodies but not enough to end the conflict. We should either urge them to negotiate peace, or have a real debate and a formal declaration of war to defeat the Russians, and accept the consequences for whichever path we take. This proxy war BS is evil, and wrong.

Ukraine didn't meet the requirements especially due to the unsettled status of Crimea. There would have needed to be waivers which would have required unanimous approval of all members. Very unlikely.

Ukraine is the proper party to decide when and if negotiations are in order. If you're worried about the numbers of dead, perhaps you should be directing your attention to Russia which can stop the war any time it wants by removing its forces from Ukraine. I don't accept your premise that US/Western support for Ukraine will lead to WW III. I only people I do see making that suggestion with any regularity are the Russians themselves...