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thinker wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:17 pm
To the guest who talked about Cubans, you are off on some things...
Might stand as a good example of the dominant race creating reasons to hate.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:37 am
thinker wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:17 pm
To the guest who talked about Cubans, you are off on some things...
Might stand as a good example of the dominant race creating reasons to hate.
Why do you think the immigrant guest is white? Sounds like he has suffered because of Cuban immigration.

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Guest wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:19 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:37 am
thinker wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:17 pm
To the guest who talked about Cubans, you are off on some things...
Might stand as a good example of the dominant race creating reasons to hate.
Why do you think the immigrant guest is white? Sounds like he has suffered because of Cuban immigration.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, maybe there are American citizens who are hard working who need jobs too. A flooded market crashes out wages. It leads to unemployment--unless you want to work for minimum wage somewhere. I heard Hell's Kitchen hiring...

Have you been to a county hospital lately? At least the illegals and others on welfare get free medical care while 137 million Americans struggle with massive medical bills and many will lose their homes to medical debt.

Most of the crime in my hometown is committed by blacks and Latinos. Yes, I have noticed. I don't need Tucker Carlson to tell me that. I saw it on a daily basis until the crime became so bad that my hometown became unlivable. My old neighborhood, solidly middle-class, safe, and beautiful,in the 1970s and 80s, is now dilapidated, dirty, and dangerous. No white people live there now that I aware of. I left, and now I live in a town that is being rapidly eroded by Latino migrants.

When is it going to be OK for American citizens (especially white ones) to complain about rape and murder them? Is it hate to point out facts? Is it wrong to support policeman who shoot rapists and murderers?

America has become ungovernable. The streets are unsafe day or night.

If I were rich, I would leave.

If I were rich.

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Guest No 3 wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:05 am
Guest wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:19 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:37 am
Might stand as a good example of the dominant race creating reasons to hate.
Why do you think the immigrant guest is white? Sounds like he has suffered because of Cuban immigration.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, maybe there are American citizens who are hard working who need jobs too. A flooded market crashes out wages. It leads to unemployment--unless you want to work for minimum wage somewhere. I heard Hell's Kitchen hiring...

Have you been to a county hospital lately? At least the illegals and others on welfare get free medical care while 137 million Americans struggle with massive medical bills and many will lose their homes to medical debt.

Most of the crime in my hometown is committed by blacks and Latinos. Yes, I have noticed. I don't need Tucker Carlson to tell me that. I saw it on a daily basis until the crime became so bad that my hometown became unlivable. My old neighborhood, solidly middle-class, safe, and beautiful,in the 1970s and 80s, is now dilapidated, dirty, and dangerous. No white people live there now that I aware of. I left, and now I live in a town that is being rapidly eroded by Latino migrants.

When is it going to be OK for American citizens (especially white ones) to complain about rape and murder them? Is it hate to point out facts? Is it wrong to support policeman who shoot rapists and murderers?

America has become ungovernable. The streets are unsafe day or night.

If I were rich, I would leave.

If I were rich.
The trend is to stereotype hatred. Do you think only cubans or blacks are criminals? The newest to arrive are generally prejudiced against, and this is an example. Focus on the people that are a problem, sure, but to build up hatred of those who have done nothing wrong is a problem.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:12 am
Guest No 3 wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:05 am
Guest wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:19 am

Why do you think the immigrant guest is white? Sounds like he has suffered because of Cuban immigration.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, maybe there are American citizens who are hard working who need jobs too. A flooded market crashes out wages. It leads to unemployment--unless you want to work for minimum wage somewhere. I heard Hell's Kitchen hiring...

Have you been to a county hospital lately? At least the illegals and others on welfare get free medical care while 137 million Americans struggle with massive medical bills and many will lose their homes to medical debt.

Most of the crime in my hometown is committed by blacks and Latinos. Yes, I have noticed. I don't need Tucker Carlson to tell me that. I saw it on a daily basis until the crime became so bad that my hometown became unlivable. My old neighborhood, solidly middle-class, safe, and beautiful,in the 1970s and 80s, is now dilapidated, dirty, and dangerous. No white people live there now that I aware of. I left, and now I live in a town that is being rapidly eroded by Latino migrants.

When is it going to be OK for American citizens (especially white ones) to complain about rape and murder them? Is it hate to point out facts? Is it wrong to support policeman who shoot rapists and murderers?

America has become ungovernable. The streets are unsafe day or night.

If I were rich, I would leave.

If I were rich.
The trend is to stereotype hatred. Do you think only cubans or blacks are criminals? The newest to arrive are generally prejudiced against, and this is an example. Focus on the people that are a problem, sure, but to build up hatred of those who have done nothing wrong is a problem.
With a police force that has been hog tied and restricted to their police stations, a leftist court system that offers Zero Bail policies and refuses to persecute criminals, and a liberal/left wing media that vilifies white males as Nazis and White Supremacists, how can we focus on combating criminals?

It's leftist morons like yourself that are the problem. You and your kind are a shotgun blast to the face of honest and hard working people. I cannot believe how blind you are to all of this. The problem is now totally out of control and America is finished.

I hope you live in this rotten, slimy stew forever, BB. You liberals created this hell, you live in it.

I wish I could leave too.

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Guest wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:49 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:12 am
The trend is to stereotype hatred. Do you think only cubans or blacks are criminals? The newest to arrive are generally prejudiced against, and this is an example. Focus on the people that are a problem, sure, but to build up hatred of those who have done nothing wrong is a problem.
With a police force that has been hog tied and restricted to their police stations, a leftist court system that offers Zero Bail policies and refuses to persecute criminals, and a liberal/left wing media that vilifies white males as Nazis and White Supremacists, how can we focus on combating criminals?

It's leftist morons like yourself that are the problem. You and your kind are a shotgun blast to the face of honest and hard working people. I cannot believe how blind you are to all of this. The problem is now totally out of control and America is finished.

I hope you live in this rotten, slimy stew forever, BB. You liberals created this hell, you live in it.

I wish I could leave too.
Lately I’ve been oft listing the crisis problems. For justice, we have criminals in chief, prejudice corrupting justice (Black Lives Matter) and the government not responding to the voters wishes. For mercy we have immigration and let’s mention Covid. There again, the conservative faction is against mercy and for death. Did you notice that ordinary crime isn’t on the list? Maybe it ought to be. I’m all for justice, and not just for Trump and those prejudiced. If zero bail were really common enough to be a crisis level problem I’d join you in asking it be fixed now. Trump, the insurrectionists and the prejudiced bad cops are not the only ones that need to be pursued and punished.

But the problem is criminals and murderers rather than cubans and blacks. Both prejudice and equality are American, but this does not make both acceptable. It is clear equality has the advantage in crisis, and prejudice is all too slowly being diminished. Too slowly. The anti cuban rant remains an example of prejudice, something that has no place in the justice system or in America. Yes, those who have been here for a while have a habit of prejudice and hate against newcomers. That is not new. That needs to be addressed more than the justice system, but both need to be fixed. If you have constructive suggestions rather than hate and prejudice, I’ll listen.

I’m embroiled in helping a family of ordinary people being harassed by a drug gang. I know there are problems, and that the police are not tied to their station. They are involved. The courts are not offering zero bail, though there are some bad cops that are protecting the drug gang. What you describe is not the reality I encounter. It looks like made up lies as an excuse for prejudice and hate. That tempts me to ignore yourself as you are divorced from reality. You just want an excuse to justify your prejudice and hate.

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I’m embroiled in helping a family of ordinary people being harassed by a drug gang. I know there are problems, and that the police are not tied to their station. They are involved. The courts are not offering zero bail, though there are some bad cops that are protecting the drug gang. What you describe is not the reality I encounter. It looks like made up lies as an excuse for prejudice and hate. That tempts me to ignore yourself as you are divorced from reality. You just want an excuse to justify your prejudice and hate.
Have you been to Chicago lately?

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Ken wrote:
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Have you been to Chicago lately?
Nope. My personal experience is in suburban Boston. We had problems with bussing decades ago, when long held prejudice was allowed to surface. That took some patience to move past. Bigots can be persistent in their bigotry. Recently it has been conservatives declining to take problems against Covid and thus killing people. You had to assume killers were deliberately seeking to kill. My own problem is an odd exception, not a big crisis level deal. How many people do you know that have been declared legally dead to steal an inheritance? How many have to take DNA tests to prove who they are? Do you know how embarrassing it is to ask the legal authorities for a copy of your own death certificate?

I am aware that a prejudiced police union is a problem in Chicago. As they are not being allowed to abuse their power they are refusing to serve. Blaming this on some liberal policy is creative. Not every city has the same mix of problems. I was just indicating the the problems with Cubans meshed well with other immigrants who are biased against when they first come. Blacks? They have been here for a long time and still are biased against. You cannot attribute the worst examples of the most criminal few to an entire culture and population. You need to address the problems of crime and justice, not imagine entire cultures to blame.

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friday, September 6th, 2022

all the talk in the last few posts blaming various ethnic groups - Latinos, blacks, whites, Trump supporters, etc. - for the enormous chaos in America today is completely misguided.

the great majority of people in every ethnic group in the United States today are hard-working, law-abiding people who want to live the American dream by working hard to raise their families, and to advance an American society. anyone who blames a single ethnic group, or any other demographic group for the chaos today is being duped by Joe Biden and the Biden administration and ordinary Democrats like Bob butler.

the increasing chaos in America today is the specific objective of an alliance between the democrats, the Chinese communist and George soros. the amount of damage that this alliance has already accomplished in 18 months of the Biden administration his breathtaking in its success.

Los angeles, San francisco, Chicago, Detroit, new york, Washington dc, and many other cities governed by democrats have been turning into hell holes. thousands of blacks are being slaughtered each month in a continuation of the Democrats policy started with the KKK in the last century. the country is being flooded with fentanyl, to the delight of the Chinese communists. the streets are being flooded with tent cities,drug addicts, and piles of needles, thanks to Democrat LED policies that paid millions of people to stay home and not work. the Biden administration's attempt, so far unsuccessful, to destroy America's energy industry, has resulted in high inflation and high energy costs that that have aided Russia in its invasion of Ukraine. and have crippled Europe as it prepares for a disastrous winter heating season.

this kind of destruction is spreading from one city to another, as billionaire George Soros continues to fund district attorneys, judges, and sheriffs who will open the prisons to let out murderers and other violent criminals, or will not even send them to prison in the first place. the result is that crime is skyrocketing in cities and towns across the country.

I want to emphasize that these are not unintended consequences. these are the consequences of specific policies by the Biden administration and the democrats. to blame this chaos on Latinos or blacks or Trump supporters or any other group is completely misguided. in fact, hysterical accusations of fascism and so forth are intended to cause different groups to blame each other rather than Biden himself.

Joe Biden was a member of the KKK under the leadership of Grand kleagle. Robert Byrd
. when he was growing up in the 1950s. at that time, the Democrats in the KKK were lynching and slaughtering blacks, and were militarizing under the slogan the South will rise again, meaning that there would be a new Civil War, and that this time the Democrats would win and the Republicans would lose. that never happened of course, but it's been the dream of a large segment of the Democrats ever since then.

and now, Joe Biden and the Democrats see an opportunity for that lifelong dream to be fulfilled.

can they be stopped? certainly not by blaming ethnic groups for the chaos. that's what Biden wants you to do.

a big Republican victory in November would slow down the Democrats, but would certainly not stop them. to the contrary, we've seen in the past how the Democrats become infuriated almost to the point of going crazy whenever something doesn't go their way. there's no telling what the Democrats might do in 2023, if they've lost congress.

however, I expect the Democrats to be stopped in a different way, by the regeneracy- a series of events that will destroy everyone's fantasy delusions. the most likely regeneracy event will be an unexpected War somewhere.

xis fantasy delusion is that China will rule the world under his leadership. Putin's fantasy delusion is that the Russian empire will be reconstituted under his leadership. biden's fantasy delusion is that he will lead the world into a great reset and a new green world order. world War III will bring an end to all of these delusions.

will America survive? I don't know.

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I can agree that those who are bigoted against various ethnic groups are completely misguided. Still, they exist. For as long as America has been around there has been a contest between bigotry and equality. Ignoring it will not make it go away, and several crisis issues this time around are tied into correcting prejudice as an existing and persistent flaw in American culture.

I also disagree that Trump is irrelevant. Crises are expected to involve a great contest between a conservative, stay the same, continue the problem faction and a progressive, make a change, fix the problem faction. Trump, for better or worse, is leading the conservative faction. Ignoring him is to be completely misguided. The problem should be fixed. It always is come the crisis. The conservative faction is likely to be fighting over something entirely different four score and seven years hence.

One issue is whether bigotry and hatred against the various ethnic groups should be deescalated. Do we see something closer to equality, or continue bias such as BLM protested against. Trump is to some degree a cheerleader for racism and bigotry, harnessing a reaction against the first black president. It is no accident that the various January 6 insurgents were originally white supremacy organizations. They wanted four more years of a pro bigotry president. They were willing to go insurgent, fight the constitution, take on the government head on, all to achieve that end. Trump must not be allowed to succeed. Doesn’t look like he will.

On the other hand, the progressive side is looking for justice against the insurgents, passing voting rights legislation, fighting inflation, securing people the right to control their own bodies, etc… The conservatives are by voting as a block fighting everything that the progressives are trying to do, no matter how popular. To get anywhere, the Republicans must learn to help the people rather than fight the Democrats. The government should return to doing the best for the voters rather than winning a partisan squabble. As is, only the Democrats have figured it out. McConnell voting the Republicans as a block against Obama might have seemed like a win, but all he did was turn the Republican voters against the establishment Republicans. He enabled Trump, which could yet destroy for a time the conservatives.

I can agree that in many cities the bigots are making trouble, and this is taking different forms in different cities. At least the insurgents are fighting their own court cases rather that demonstrating their prejudice. Trump’s and his insurgent’s troubles are taking center stage rather than their actions against minorities. The answer is to fight crime and seek justice, not to prolong hatred and prejudice.

Agreed Xi and Putin are chasing obsolete fantasy delusions. I disagree that a new science and democracy based renewal of the western values belongs in the same class. The delusion would be if Xi or Putin think to use force against the west. If you put nuclear delusions into play, things could indeed get dire. I’m hoping that reality catches up with Xi and Putin. Major power use of force in this day of proxy war, insurgent war, nukes and sanctions isn’t cost effective. Ask any Russian soldier in Ukraine. The live ones may be more vocal, but the dead ones more persuasive. This may be becoming obvious enough even to the autocratic leaders.

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