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Re: Partisan Science

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Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm
Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.
As the Chinese are finding out, herd immunity was the best choice. Now we're way ahead of them. We've established that trusting authority in this crisis era is dangerous. First with Trump's disregard for the danger of the virus, then with Biden's disregard for the danger of the vaccine therapy. Both have committed many egregious mistakes. Both have done some good stuff too.

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Re: Partisan Science

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FullMoon wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:18 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm
Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.
As the Chinese are finding out, herd immunity was the best choice. Now we're way ahead of them. We've established that trusting authority in this crisis era is dangerous. First with Trump's disregard for the danger of the virus, then with Biden's disregard for the danger of the vaccine therapy. Both have committed many egregious mistakes. Both have done some good stuff too.
What good has Biden done? Not being a smartass. I honestly cant think of anything.

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Re: Partisan Science

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Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm
Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.
"Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid."

This makes no sense. It would be like if someone said, "Biden promotes death jabs over life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Either statement is ridiculous.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Re: Partisan Science

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Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:41 pm
Guest wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:57 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm
Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.
Aren't most of the people dying from covid now vaccinated?
At least in the US yes, because most people here are vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do ... right-now/
How many people who have been vaccinated against measles (MMR) have died of measles?

How many people who have been vaccinated against polio have died of polio?
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Re: Partisan Science

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Dickie doo wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:49 pm
FullMoon wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:18 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm
Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.
As the Chinese are finding out, herd immunity was the best choice. Now we're way ahead of them. We've established that trusting authority in this crisis era is dangerous. First with Trump's disregard for the danger of the virus, then with Biden's disregard for the danger of the vaccine therapy. Both have committed many egregious mistakes. Both have done some good stuff too.
What good has Biden done? Not being a smartass. I honestly cant think of anything.
He's following through and improving upon the China strategy. And by 'he', I mean whoever controls the teleprompter and pulls the levers of power. They're at least doing something that's not against the national interest.

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Re: Crisis

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Bob Butler wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:07 pm
Thus far, the elites have won out, encouraged immigration, and watched the angry deplorables cause minority pain. Thus far, this has worked roughly well for America, less well for the minorities. The cheap labor has become available, the deplorables inflamed. The object of the progressives is to get rid of the hate, oppression and pain.
This is all theoretical and obviously written by somebody with no experience living or being in inner city war zones, as is your propaganda about "spree shooters going into minority safe spaces," as if the incident in Waukesha, Wisconsin and dozens of others never happened. Here is a small list of my personal experiences:

1. While parked behind a liquor store in an inner city neighborhood, 2 blacks parked next to me and began to harass me. Finally, one of them said, "If that cracker turns his head, I'm going to blow it off." When I didn't turn my head he laughed and said, "He knows better than to turn his head."

2. A pack of blacks on welfare moved in next to me. There was an elderly couple on the other side. One of the black kids broke out the window of their garage so he could steal out of it. He was also caught stealing out of another neighbor's garage. After that, I threatened them and told them to stay the hell away from my property. They had the audacity and stupidity to ask if I had a problem with them, as if I was some kind of racist.

3. I was on the South Side of Chicago and pulled into a gas station where I was the only white person. You had to pay first to get gas at a window with bullet proof glass. I went over and paid her $5. When I went back and turned the pump on it didn't work. I went back to the window and asked her to turn the pump on. She screamed, "It's on," and everyone within about 30 feet turned around and looked at me. Then I went over and pumped my gas and left.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Re: Partisan Science

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FullMoon wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm
Dickie doo wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:49 pm
FullMoon wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:18 pm


As the Chinese are finding out, herd immunity was the best choice. Now we're way ahead of them. We've established that trusting authority in this crisis era is dangerous. First with Trump's disregard for the danger of the virus, then with Biden's disregard for the danger of the vaccine therapy. Both have committed many egregious mistakes. Both have done some good stuff too.
What good has Biden done? Not being a smartass. I honestly cant think of anything.
He's following through and improving upon the China strategy. And by 'he', I mean whoever controls the teleprompter and pulls the levers of power. They're at least doing something that's not against the national interest.
The other goods he has done is with the bread and butter legislative bills that passed before the midterms and keeping NATO practicing containment against Putin. If you (Dicky Doo) have not heard of those, you are pretty hopeless.
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Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:19 pm

How many people who have been vaccinated against measles (MMR) have died of measles?

How many people who have been vaccinated against polio have died of polio?
I did a couple of quick searches on things like 'measles vaccine death' and came up with a couple of messy papers. The short answer is that there are potential problems, extremely rare, slightly less rare when the vaccines were first released. For example, there is a known population of children that are allergic the the vaccine, but you can figure out who. It then becomes important that enough others are vaccinated to ensure those who can't be vaccinated are safe. If you want to wade through the long answers, links are provided.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236293/

https://www.idsociety.org/public-health ... and-facts/
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Re: Vaccinations

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:00 am
Higgenbotham wrote:
Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:19 pm

How many people who have been vaccinated against measles (MMR) have died of measles?

How many people who have been vaccinated against polio have died of polio?
I did a couple of quick searches on things like 'measles vaccine death' and came up with a couple of messy papers. The short answer is that there are potential problems, extremely rare, lightly less rare when the vaccines were first released. For example, there is a known population of children that are allergic the the vaccine, but you can figure out who. It then becomes important that enough others are vaccinated to ensure those who can't be vaccinated are safe. If you want to wade through the long answers, links are provided.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236293/

https://www.idsociety.org/public-health ... and-facts/
I have only a superficial knowledge of vaccines, which is one reason I asked the questions instead of providing what I think are the answers. It's probably more complicated than I think it is. Based on my superficial knowledge, I believe the answers are as follows:

How many people who have been vaccinated against measles (MMR) have died of measles? None.

How many people who have been vaccinated against polio have died of polio? None.

In addition, how many people have been vaccinated against covid and died of covid? Many.

I think based on that and probably other examples (tetanus?, whooping cough?, etc.) it is a reasonable expectation for some to expect that a vaccine that is mandated in certain situations will provide 100% protection against whatever it is supposed to be protecting against. And if it doesn't and maybe the protection is more like 50% with a need for boosters as frequent intervals, well, it's hard for me to understand what all the fuss is about in thinking everyone should be vaccinated.
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Re: Vaccinations

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Higgenbotham wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:35 am

I have only a superficial knowledge of vaccines, which is one reason I asked the questions instead of providing what I think are the answers. It's probably more complicated than I think it is. Based on my superficial knowledge, I believe the answers are as follows:

How many people who have been vaccinated against measles (MMR) have died of measles? None.

How many people who have been vaccinated against polio have died of polio? None.

In addition, how many people have been vaccinated against covid and died of covid? Many.

I think based on that and probably other examples (tetanus?, whooping cough?, etc.) it is a reasonable expectation for some to expect that a vaccine that is mandated in certain situations will provide 100% protection against whatever it is supposed to be protecting against. And if it doesn't and maybe the protection is more like 50% with a need for boosters as frequent intervals, well, it's hard for me to understand what all the fuss is about in thinking everyone should be vaccinated.
It would be more accurate to say how many people died of X? Absurdly few. How many lives were saved by the vaccines against X? Many many more. Does the Covid vaccine require more boosters than most vaccines? Yep. You can wish Covid was less potent, the vaccines against Covid more general, but wishful thinking doesn’t get you far. I’m an aged diabetic, and not surprisingly a vaccine fan. So many others want to kill me? At least they are being as careless with their own lives?

The current deaths in the US by Covid is listed at 1.11 million. Current deaths linked to the Covid vaccine? 3. Am I looking to the next booster? You bet. The three deaths were from the J&J vaccine, and I’m on another. The odds look pretty good to me.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many- ... n-the-u-s/

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