Above, I had estimated the vaccine is about 50% effective.Bob Butler wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:10 amIt would be more accurate to say how many people died of X? Absurdly few. How many lives were saved by the vaccines against X? Many many more. Does the Covid vaccine require more boosters than most vaccines? Yep. You can wish Covid was less potent, the vaccines against Covid more general, but wishful thinking doesn’t get you far. I’m an aged diabetic, and not surprisingly a vaccine fan. So many others want to kill me? At least they are being as careless with their own lives?Higgenbotham wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:35 am
I have only a superficial knowledge of vaccines, which is one reason I asked the questions instead of providing what I think are the answers. It's probably more complicated than I think it is. Based on my superficial knowledge, I believe the answers are as follows:
How many people who have been vaccinated against measles (MMR) have died of measles? None.
How many people who have been vaccinated against polio have died of polio? None.
In addition, how many people have been vaccinated against covid and died of covid? Many.
I think based on that and probably other examples (tetanus?, whooping cough?, etc.) it is a reasonable expectation for some to expect that a vaccine that is mandated in certain situations will provide 100% protection against whatever it is supposed to be protecting against. And if it doesn't and maybe the protection is more like 50% with a need for boosters as frequent intervals, well, it's hard for me to understand what all the fuss is about in thinking everyone should be vaccinated.
The current deaths in the US by Covid is listed at 1.11 million. Current deaths linked to the Covid vaccine? 3. Am I looking to the next booster? You bet. The three deaths were from the J&J vaccine, and I’m on another. The odds look pretty good to me.
https://covid-101.org/science/how-many- ... n-the-u-s/
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do ... right-now/
From the link in your previous post, 79% of the population is vaccinated and 58% of covid deaths are among the vaccinated. This puts the effectiveness of the vaccine at 64%, not 50% if I figured it right.
However, and this goes back to what Wags has posted, which I agree with.
For those who have had covid, sources I have read say incidences of neurological problems are about 80% higher one year later in those who have had covid versus pre-covid times. Likewise, those who have been vaxed have incidences of certain diseases one year later at the same 80% higher rate and I think tim posted some information about that in the vaccine thread. Therefore, in my opinion, it doesn't matter too much what your source of spike protein is - it can be either covid or the vax and they are about equally harmful. Which goes back to something I posted awhile backWags wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:12 amIt seems strange to me that there is so much confusion regarding the sudden uptick in cardiac events in young adults when we know the spike protein (via infection OR vaccine) causes an increase in circulating inflammatory cytokines...
The most important variable in my opinion is not whether you got covid or the vax but whether your body can clear the spike protein quickly and completely while minimizing damage when it is circulating.Higgenbotham wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:32 pmWhether you get the vax or not you are screwed and everyone has long covid to some extent whether it's from covid or the vax. Of course, opinions will vary widely because there is so much information that falls into the latter 2 categories of Rumsfeld's classifications of information, with most people picking a side.