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[Guest]

You sound like the the owners of Face Book and Twitter. This forum was one place where I could go to read the thoughts and ideas of free men. FB and You Tube used to be like that too, until people like you decided that freedom of speech didn't operate on privately owned sites. What happens when the TV networks and newspapers, along with social media are owned by people like Dakardii? Oh, wait. That's already happened. Free speech in America is dead. America is already a sad joke.

If you seriously think what I advocated on here today is censorship, then you clearly have no idea what censorship actually is.

Sounds like like Da Karadii bought you, John.

I "bought" him because I started a fundraiser for him? What a truly vile response. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying that.

And by the way, notice that John replied to you when he could've easily just deleted that comment. He decided not to censor it despite the fact that it inadvertently makes a very strong argument IN FAVOR of censorship. And you say that this site "was" a place where you could go to read the thoughts and ideas of free men. As if it was in the past but isn't anymore. Give me a break.

You should have said, "How dare you!" This country is nothing but a bunch a snowflakes. How are we going to wage war against the Chinese. The Chinese eat grasshoppers and scorpions when they run low on cash. Americans smoke weed and post on social media. Americans are weak, fat, and stupid. When I read posts like yours, I despair.

[Over here]

CNN has done an unbelievable amount of damage to America's image overseas. For many people, CNN is THE news from America. All they see is dysfunction. If you ask peole in Asia want they think of Trump, many say Trump is a bad person. Why? Because that's what CNN tells them. The local media uses stories from The New York Times and the Wshington Post, nothing else. The damage has been done. America is now the sick man of the world.

CNN also has a Jerry Springer quality to it. It makes Americans look like ranting goofballs. Our image (I'm American) is in the toilet. This is something which affects my daily life in Asia and Europe. CNN used to be calm and measured; now the pundits yell and scream like Fox News 20-25 years ago. From my perspective in Asia, America is near collapse.

People watch CNN and think white people are all racist slave owners and black and brown rioters and looters are angelic freedom fighters. Most of my Asian friends have lived in America and know that CNN is all BS. They can't believe we are giving our country to bottom feeders.

The Soviet Union never had a propagada machine like CNN. The steady barrage of negativity has really taken hold over here. People no longer want to immigrate to America. They only talk about Canada and Australia. I don't blame them.

[John]

** 10-Dec-2020 World View: 17 States join Texas in Supreme Court case

17 states are joining in the lawsuite filed by Texas AG Ken Paxton
with the Supreme Court accusing four states -- Georgia, Michigan,
Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- of violating the US constitution by
making last-minute changes to election laws in ways that violated the
states' own state constitution in ways that intentionally skewed the
elections toward Biden, and therefore prevented Texas from having fair
representation in the electoral college voting.


*** 08-Dec-2020 World View: Texas sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin
*** viewtopic.php?p=55921#p55921

The Supreme Court has ordered the four accused states to "actively
respond" to the election fraud allegations by 3pm ET today (Thursday).

The Supreme Court might still simply dismiss the lawsuit, which is
what much of the mainstream media is demanding in hysterical terms,
but it now has a great deal of "heft" because it's being brought by 18
states (and president Trump), which makes it very hard to simply
dismiss. This is exactly the kind of case that the "original
jurisdiction" clause in the constitution was designed for.

It's still my belief that the Supreme Court will take the case and
will look for the least disruptive way to settle it, and this will
most likely punish two or three states, set stringent rules for
mail-in ballots in future elections, but not overturn the election of
Biden.

*** 09-Dec-2020 World View: Back to the Dred Scott decision
*** viewtopic.php?p=55962#p55962

> John, do you think secession is a real possibility at this
> time?

This is actually an amusing question. Have you been following the
news about Brexit, which is the UK secession from the EU? When the
Brexit referendum first passed in 2016, I characterized it as a
disaster. And now we're in the final days of Brexit negotiations
before the UK completely leaves the EU on January 1, and it looks like
it will be a financial disaster for the UK, and almost as bad for the
EU.

So let's suppose that those 18 states decide to secede from the United
States. So if you live in Georgia and you want to visit your family
in Missouri, you'll need a passport, a visa, and if you drive then
you'll have to wait in line for 12 hours because you can only cross
the border after your car is inspected by border agents.

Or, suppose you have a business in Missouri that ships goods to stores
in Georgia. You'll have to have a border inspection, and you may have
to pay a hefty tariff tax.

Maybe it will be like the Mexican border, and Trump Jr. will have to
build a wall to prevent illegal migration from Missouri.

Wheeeeee!

[Guest]

This is actually an amusing question. Have you been following the
news about Brexit, which is the UK secession from the EU? When the
Brexit referendum first passed in 2016, I characterized it as a
disaster. And now we're in the final days of Brexit negotiations
before the UK completely leaves the EU on January 1, and it looks like
it will be a financial disaster for the UK, and almost as bad for the
EU.

It's only a disaster because the EU Kleptocracy wants it to be. England has survived for thousands of years on its own, but now England NEEDS Europe? Oh, please. The EU has been a disaster and a scam from the beginning. THE EU wants to embargo and destroy England. They won't let anyone go because if one country leaves and is better off, the rest will bolt out of the stable. Staying in the EU is like telling a badly abused housewife that if she leaves her husband, he will kill her, so she had better stay with him. FFS.

[DaKardii]

> John, do you think secession is a real possibility at this
> time?

This is actually an amusing question. Have you been following the
news about Brexit, which is the UK secession from the EU? When the
Brexit referendum first passed in 2016, I characterized it as a
disaster. And now we're in the final days of Brexit negotiations
before the UK completely leaves the EU on January 1, and it looks like
it will be a financial disaster for the UK, and almost as bad for the
EU.

So let's suppose that those 18 states decide to secede from the United
States. So if you live in Georgia and you want to visit your family
in Missouri, you'll need a passport, a visa, and if you drive then
you'll have to wait in line for 12 hours because you can only cross
the border after your car is inspected by border agents.

Or, suppose you have a business in Missouri that ships goods to stores
in Georgia. You'll have to have a border inspection, and you may have
to pay a hefty tariff tax.

Maybe it will be like the Mexican border, and Trump Jr. will have to
build a wall to prevent illegal migration from Missouri.

Wheeeeee!

Such a terrible price to pay. But perhaps a price that many individual Americans are willing to pay at this point. The only question is: are the state governments willing to pay that price?

[DaKardii]

You should have said, "How dare you!" This country is nothing but a bunch a snowflakes. How are we going to wage war against the Chinese. The Chinese eat grasshoppers and scorpions when they run low on cash. Americans smoke weed and post on social media. Americans are weak, fat, and stupid. When I read posts like yours, I despair.

I understand why you see America that way, but don't turn this on me. All I did was advise an anonymous guest to register if he/she wanted to avoid being mistaken for someone else on the forum. And for some bizarre reason, that advice caused a bunch of unnecessary drama (which you're adding to, by the way).

[Cool Breeze]

As I wrote at the time, the Dred Scott decision was a major, lasting
shock to the Supreme Court because many people believed that they
caused the Civil War with that decision. Thus, ever since then,
they see themselves as the guardians of the Union, and will make decisions
most likely to preserve the Union. In my opinion, that reasoning was
a major factor in the way they handled the Bush v Gore case in 2000.

So I expect the Supreme Court to be acting in whatever way they feel
will resolve the election issues in a way to resolve as many controversies
as possible, and to preserve the status of the Supreme Court as a
non-partisan institution. That's why the vote on the Pennsylvania
case on Tuesday was 9-0.

There's no doubt that there was massive fraud by the Democrats in the
last election, and it's the job of the Supreme Court to make sure it
doesn't happen again. It would also extremely disruptive to reverse
the election results. So I don't know where that leaves the Supreme
Court. I could imagine one possibility is that they would rule that
the results would be reversed in one or two states, but not enough to
reverse the election. I don't know if that would work, but I do think
that the court will try to find some similar kind of solution.

John, do you think secession is a real possibility at this time?

This seems to be the last real recourse of the States, especially since a State that is very independent and at least has a smidgen of time in which it was a "Republic" started the clean lawsuit of the Constitution not being followed. Say what you want about the desire to keep things status quo, this is clearly a violation of the law and subversion of the Republic. I had always thought the PA case was far more likely to be dismissed (which somewhat plays here since they looked the other way) due to Barrett being appointed but their lack of desire to correct a clearly illegal election law maneuver. There are many men who are involved in the decline in our society (it always starts with weak men) but when you see women ascendant in the society, it has already broken down. If you look at how many female judges there are it's clear that the 1980s was the beginning of the end. Corporate heads are also an HR egalitarian proxy which is damaging for a nation and its families, which are macro and micro versions of one another if you desire civilization and sanity. It's just a pure biological reality that people need to understand. The funny thing is since they don't understand it, they'll eventually see it come back, because nature always wins - these are universal realities.

Secession is a super messy issue because of Federal lands, military, etc. It's really hard for there to be any clean break, sadly. Given how many of our politicians are bought off and how large the government is at this point, both of which are unAmerican and against our Constitution, it is just silly to say that we have a democracy or a democratic Republic at this point. Especially when weaklings give the actual strong men the orders to carry out what they can't effectively carry out themselves.

[Gģggg]

Break up and save half the country or die along with everyone else.

[Burner Prime]

CNN has done an unbelievable amount of damage to America's image overseas. For many people, CNN is THE news from America. All they see is dysfunction.

The Soviet Union never had a propagada machine like CNN. The steady barrage of negativity has really taken hold over here. People no longer want to immigrate to America. They only talk about Canada and Australia. I don't blame them.

More insular Asian nations like the Japanese are talking about the Deep State and how corrupt Biden is, and prior to the elections, agonized over the level of support they could expect from the US in a confrontation with China. That was because of Trump's constant call for nations to take greater responsibility for their defense, including NATO. Also for the Japanese, leaving their country pretty much ended in the 80s; few have any desire to permanently live in the US.

As for most nations, they view America as pathetic, but a place where they can have a much better quality of life (if coming from the Third World), or simply better wages (If coming from First World like Japan). They are feeding on the undead American corpse, a body that still twitches, like an insect, not knowing it's head has been chopped off.

In that positive light I hope folks have an exit strategy, whether those in power decide to take your money or your life.

[spottybrowncow]

I think John is right, multiple states lining up demanding relief carries a lot more weight than Trump claiming he was cheated (even though he was). No matter how the Supreme Court rules (or doesn't), this is huge. If the current election results are allowed to stand, and Democrats also get control of the Senate, I see this lawsuit being used as justification for states simply ignoring federal laws that may come down the pike (gun control comes to mind immediately, if Biden reclassifies "assault weapons" and hi-cap magazines). Interesting times ahead, to be sure.