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Trevor wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:30 pm
I really don't think Biden is up for the job....

Republicans have made clear they will never accept his Presidency and they've got the energy now. Every Republican I know is fed up with being called white supremacists, monsters, the media looking the other way when Antifa assaults them. (I've been leaning more liberal in the past year, but I'm still closer to the GOP) The very same feelings that allowed Trump to take the Presidency will lead to their own version of resistance.
Recently, support for police from the right has eroded as they have been willing participants in the suppression of free speech during demonstrations. In many jurisdictions they violate civil rights and in general have disdain for every segment of the public. There are many YouTube channels devoted to chronicling their misbehavior, and even after the BLM rioting and "defund" movements they haven't let up on their abuse.

I also face a heavy hand from LE, despite being a totally law-abiding citizen, paying all fees and taxes, following each and every rule and always treating officers with respect. Doesn't matter, I am "public" and most LE organizations treat the public as unconvicted felons. It starts to build common just cause with people like Antifa and BLM. No wonder people want to defund them.

Both sides cheer on the police when they smash the opposition. But liberals seem to be the ones recently calling for very extreme use of law to silence, jail, and execute their opponents. Police never flinch at bashing skulls and arresting whoever they're pointed to by their chain of command, regardless of the target's affiliation or sympathies (They ALL felons). The right has come to this realization, hence their support of the Thin Blue Line has eroded.

Police have adopted a bunker mentality against the entire populace and this once again signals our decline as we devolve in a Third World country.

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Navigator wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:35 pm

What is happening now is dangerous to our democracy, just as Hillary's accusations were. If people stop trusting the ballot box and election results, our country's democracy is endangered.
HAHAHAHA, bruh are you meming? Are you trolling? "dangerous to our democracy..'" pffbbbfft, hahaha! LOLOL bro you are so pfunny....
That meme phrase got stale like 3 years ago bruh....and the pfunny thing is you using it like in a serious way.....ahaha hahahaaa ha ha ha. Even funnier is the left uses this stale phrase every day so much it has lost all meaning. Surely you're meming, amiright?

Dude "democracy" blows. Pure democracy fails like communism fails. With the lowest common denominator, people with no SKIN IN THE GAME voting for their own interests and not of the collective and having no responsibility for the consequences. They vote for their in-group's interests, they vote for free stuff, they vote for power distribution to their in-group.

Every observation you make about the decline of the West is expressly due to democracy, bruh. The PEOPLE chose Biden, the PEOPLE chose every single "bad" leader you mention, the PEOPLE chose leaders who are corrupt, the PEOPLE willingly believe the media narratives and pretty lies, the PEOPLE vote for free stuff, the PEOPLE vote for leaders who drive the country to wars and debt and laws that favor their in-group, the PEOPLE vote for leaders who bend the constitution to favor outcomes. And guess what? The PEOPLE choose electoral systems that favor Turd World dick-tatorships like Venezuela...

It's ALWAYS the people bro, even John hammers this point home all the time. It's the masses that determine the course of world events. Regardless of how we assess it, good or bad, it is democracy in action always and everywhere.

Holy shit bruh, thanks for the good laugh tho...

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Burner Prime wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:23 am
Recently, support for police from the right has eroded as they have been willing participants in the suppression of free speech during demonstrations. In many jurisdictions they violate civil rights and in general have disdain for every segment of the public. There are many YouTube channels devoted to chronicling their misbehavior, and even after the BLM rioting and "defund" movements they haven't let up on their abuse.
Lately, the Black Lives Matter movement has much reduced its demonstrations as compared to last summer, and with it the activities of such groups as the Boogaloo Bois, the looters, Antifa, the Proud Boys and others who might take advantage of the more legitimate protests. I attribute it to the cold weather and giving the Democrats a chance to see if they will take action against the bad cops.

More of the demonstrations seem red, the protests against supposed ‘voter fraud’. The military and the secret police have withdrawn. The police did squash the Wolverine Watchmen satisfactorily. I anticipate that the next few days (the Georgia runoffs and the congressional counting of votes) will see some demonstrations. I would be for the right to protest and against voter or other intimidation. Hopefully, the good cops will be in the majority and able to tell the difference.

It could be that who is demonstrating has changed.

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Burner Prime wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:51 am
Dude "democracy" blows. Pure democracy fails like communism fails. With the lowest common denominator, people with no SKIN IN THE GAME voting for their own interests and not of the collective and having no responsibility for the consequences. They vote for their in-group's interests, they vote for free stuff, they vote for power distribution to their in-group.
I see it in good part as the turnings turning. The unravelling is a time of maximum selfishness. People ask what the government can do for them, rather than what they can do for the government. The crisis supposedly generates a working together and sacrificing for the common good. For example, wearing a mask or trying to restrain the bad cops.

I'm not sure it is democracy that is at fault. It is that some are just into the old unraveling culture. There is a lot of resistance to the incoming crisis mentality. (This assumes non crisis war triggers, of course.)

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** 05-Jan-2021 World View: Presidential mistakes
Navigator wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:11 pm
> I don't think that the USA has had an outstanding president since
> Eisenhower. Each one after him was deeply flawed and made huge
> mistakes.

> I think Reagan did a lot to restore America and win the Cold War,
> but he threw fiscal conservatism out the window. Since Reagan the
> national debt looks like a parabolic curve. So while I liked the
> guy and most of what he did, he really failed us there.

> Here is what Eisenhower did:
> Ended the Korean war.
> Brought the defense budget under control and restored fiscal conservatism.
> Stood up to the Communists, but without pulling the trigger.
> Built the Interstate Highway system, the most beneficial
> infrastructure project since the railroad a hundred years before.

> Here is the short list of disasters associated with each and every
> one of Eisenhower's successors:

> Kennedy - Bay of Pigs, start of economic theory interventions in
> the economy, allowing public employees to unionize, disasterous
> negotiations with the Communists (which ended with the cuban
> missle crisis - where, thank God, he didn't pull the trigger), the
> Diem assasination and the start of Vietnam intervention.

> Johnson - Vietnam, the welfare state

> Nixon - Watergate, end of anything backing the dollar, price
> controls leading to even greater inflation, the snail pace
> withdraw from Vietnam.

> Ford - pardoning Nixon, failing to deal with inflation

> Carter - Hyperinflation, creating the Iran mess

> Reagan - Abandonment of fiscal conservatism and the start of
> snowballing deficit. The whole Iran Contra mess.

> Bush - failing to completely take out Sadam Hussein.

> Clinton - failing to deal with national debt, deregulation of
> banks (end of Glass Steagal), the institutionalization of "pay for
> play" presidency. And of course the sexual predator thing, which
> led to him lying under oath. He was rightfully impeached, and
> should have been convicted.

> Bush Jr - the Iraq mess by naively thinking he could turn the
> place into a democracy. Failure to deal with the true
> perpetrators of 9/11 - the Saudis. The subprime mortgage crisis
> and bank bailout that resulted.

> Obama - did nothing to fix the problems that led to the financial
> crisis. Just doubled down on massive amounts of government debt.
> Handing control of Iraq over to Iran. Then giving Iran the
> financial means to continue to massively support terrorism. Obama
> care debacle that did nothing to fix the broken healthcare system,
> in fact it made it worse.

> Trump - getting rid of a great cabinet/advisors that he started
> with. Continuing to accelerate government borrowing and debt.
> Inability to handle the Obamacare/healthcare mess or get anything
> substantial done legislatively while controlling both houses of
> congress.
This is a very interesting list because it's so comprehensive, making
it easy to compare to Generational Dynamics eras.

As you know, I've written the following in some form dozens of times
in the last 15 years:
> Core Principle of Generational Dynamics:

> "Even in a dictatorship, major decisions are made by masses of
> people, entire generations of people, and not by politicians.
> Thus, Hitler was not the cause of WW II or the Holocaust. What
> politicians say or do is irrelevant, except insofar as their
> actions reflect the attitudes of the people that they represent,
> and so politicians can neither cause nor prevent the great events
> of history -- but can only bring about marginal
> adjustments."
So if you condemn all the presidents except Eisenhower, that would be
because the 50s was a generational Recovery Era. The entire adult
population was still traumatized from two world wars and the Great
Depression. They saw Communism on the march in Europe and Asia, and
were dreadfully anxious about a third word war against Communism. So
Eisenhower was able to achieve all the results you list because they
could all be sold as strengthening the company and preventing a new
world war.

By contrast, we've been in a generational Crisis era now for almost
twenty years, and the WW II survivors are almost gone. Instead, the
people in charge are idiots and snowflakes, and the people in charge
in Washington are complete assholes.

I'll just give one example of this. Yesterday, Congress was debating
whether it was OK to use the word "Amen," because it contains the word
"Men." It's almost impossible to conceive how these asshole
politicianss could be taking up time discussing something so
disgusting and stupid, when there's so much going on in the world that
they know nothing about. All they know is that they can defraud the
American people by illegal stock trades based on insider information
or illegally taking money from foreign countries through influence
peddling. So it's no surprise that these asshole politicians are
debating "Amen" to distract people from their own criminal activity.

Let's provide another contrast. In the 1950s, people knew where
Russia was on a map and the danger they presented.

Today, most people couldn't find China on a map. They blame tensions
with China on Trump's trade policies and Trump's personality, and
believe the tensions will disappear under Biden. Nobody is talking
about the fact that the Chinese people are thrilled and gloating over
their huge victory in the last year -- spreading the Wuhan coronavirus
to hundreds of countries while lying and protecting themselves, with
the result that they have the virus under control and a growing
economy, while America and the rest of the world struggle. These
Chinese see themselves now as world leaders and America in decline.
The people in the 50s were worried about Russia, while the people
today are so stupid, all they worry about is Amen.

So when you're going from the 1950s to the 2020s, you can think about
the transformation from anxiety over Communism to anxiety of Amen. I
haven't done this, but it would be interesting to create a list of
social attitudes -- from anxiety over Communism to anxiety of Amen --
that represent the tenure of each president.

Some of the biggest items on that list would involve debt, especially
public debt. In the 1950s, people were still traumatized from the
Great Depression, so Eisenhower could easily pass a balanced budget.

But in each subsequent decade, fewer people alive had lived through
the Great Depression, and it became increasingly fashionable to be in
debt -- personally and publicly. This has reached a peak today with
Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) which says that the government can borrow
and spend an infinite amount of money and never pay it back, simply by
printing more money.

So the public atitude in the 1950s was fiscal responsibility, while
the public attitude today is MMT. Some of the failures you list --
abandoning gold standard, inflation, hyperinflation, deficit -- were
completely out of the control of the president. The only serious
attempt at deficit control in the last 50 years was sequestration from
2011-2013, and that was a disaster for the military, so the MMT
proponents are now in complete charge.

The situation with inflation is an interesting one. You talk about
inflation and hyperinflation in the 1970s, and you blame that on the
presidents. But with the explosion of public debt and printing money
since the Crisis era began in 2003, there should have been massive new
hyperinflation. In fact, pundits and analysts have been predicting
that every quarter since 2003, and they've been wrong every time, and
are still wrong about it. As I've written over and over, the country
is in a time of deflation, not inflation, because the velocity of
money has been crashing. So in the 1970s, when people finally
believed economists like Milton Friedman who declared the danger of a
new Great Depression to be over, it became highly fashionable to go
into debt and buy consumer goods, creating hyperinflation, made worse
by Nixon's great price control fiasco. But in the current Crisis era,
people are again anxious about a new Great Depression and they save
their money, so that new printed money doesn't go into consumer goods,
so there's no inflation. Instead, it goes into the stock market
bubble, the gold bubble, the bitcoin bubble, and the real estate
bubble, so there's deflation.

The final example I'll give is the Vietnam War, since I'm writing a
book on the history of Vietnam, and since you and I have exchanged a
number of e-mail messages on the Vietnam War.

So the subject of this article is "presidential mistakes," and the
question now is how much of the Vietnam War was due to presidential
mistakes and how much was out of control of the presidents.

As you know, I've reached the conclusion that America had no choice
but to enter the war in 1960 because the American public were still
traumatized by two world wars and anxious about a third world war
against Communism. The public would not have tolerated America just
standing by and watching the young democracy in South Vietnam be
invaded and overrun by the North Vietnamese Communists, who were
backed by China and the Soviet Union.

The other conclusion I reached was that the war was irretrievably lost
by 1964, because of two decisions by president Kennedy that sabotaged
the war effort -- ceding Laos to Hanoi, and ousting and assassinating
South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem. I call these decisions
sabotage because they were so disastrous to the war effort, and
obviously so even at the time, that they can only be described as
either unintentional or intentional sabotage of the war effort. You
and I have been debating the reason that Kennedy made these disastrous
decisions, and my conclusion, which I think that you agree with, is
that Kennedy was simply too young to be president, and couldn't deal
with conflicting advice given by his advisers, who were roughly 20
years older than he was, so the result was two very stupid mistakes.
It was obvious by the Battle of Ia Drang (11/1965) that the war was
irretrievably lost because of these two acts of sabotage.

So once I conclude that the war was lost by 1964, it therefore follows
that the loss of the war after that point was not due to mistakes by
Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, because the war was already out of
their control after 1964, and would have been lost no matter what
they did.

So, putting all this together, the only thing that I personally can
identify as a mistake by the presidents (i.e., not out of the
presidents' control) was the two mistakes by President Kennedy,
and maybe throw in Nixon's price controls and Obamacare.

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John wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:42 am
Core Principle of Generational Dynamics:

"Even in a dictatorship, major decisions are made by masses of people, entire generations of people, and not by politicians. Thus, Hitler was not the cause of WW II or the Holocaust. What politicians say or do is irrelevant, except insofar as their actions reflect the attitudes of the people that they represent, and so politicians can neither cause nor prevent the great events of history -- but can only bring about marginal adjustments."
There are some presidential actions that are so much the will of the people that no politician can help but follow them. There are others actions that are the will of the leader or the elites, which the leader can take blame for.

For example after Pearl Harbor it would take an absurdly rare leader to not fight back. On the other hand, somewhat before the attack, there was a memo circulating in the White House that if you wanted to get involved in the war, you should take the following steps, including embargoing the oil and moving the fleet to Pearl. While it has not been proven FDR saw and decided to act on that memo, the steps were taken shortly after the memo circulated. Was it the people, or the leader?

Another example, after September 11 people got awfully hot and some sort of response was nigh on inevitable. However, the Bush 43 cabinet consisted of mostly Neo cons and oil men. A minimum commitment went to Afghanistan, but the administration focused an effort against Iraq.

After the Great Recession economic failure, a lot of folk were really mad at the Wall Street bankers, but Obama went with cooperation in recovering rather than retribution. This cost Obama some political capitol, but the choice of the leader quashed the will of the people.

Not a matter of the people or the leader, but you have to consider both.

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** 05-Jan-2021 World View: Pearl Harbor

The situation with Japan before Pearl Harbor is very similar to the
situation with China today. There was a great deal of anti-Japan
xenophobia among Americans. This started in the 1920s, but it really
skyrocketed when the Japanese bombed and sank the USS Panay in 1937,
although no Americans wanted a war until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Today, there's a great deal of anti-China xenophobia, but noboby
wants a war. Just as Roosevelt imposed an oil embargo, the Trump
administration imposed trade sanctions. So the pre-war actions
are similar.

A more nuanced question to analyze is why Britain went to war
to war after Hitler invaded Poland, but not after Hitler
invaded Czechoslovakia.

A question that's been frequently debated in this forum is whether
America would defend Taiwan against an invasion by China. I
personally believe that the American people would be so shocked, we'd
be at war within 24 hours. But a number of people in this forum,
particularly people living in Taiwan and Korea, have argued that
America would simply let them be taken over.

The story of America's support for China prior to the Pearl
Harbor attack is very interesting. Here is the text from
my book:

**** American support for China before Pearl Harbor (1937-41)

America's long-standing friendship with China, combined with concern
about Japan's militarism and invasions of Manchuria and northern
China, caused America to side with China in the Sino-Japan war.
However, America also had a policy of non-interference, and had no
vital interests in China, and so had little desire to go to war with
Japan -- or with Germany in Europe, for that matter.

America did not even enter the Sino-Japan war when Japan's warplanes
bombed and sank the USS Panay on the Yangtze River on December 12,
1937, as it was evacuating Americans from Nanking during the Battle of
Nanking (which became known as Japan's "Rape of Nanking"). This is
notable because it was the first Japanese attack on an American naval
vessel, and it was four years prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Three men on the USS Panay were killed, and 27 injured. The Japanese
claimed that the attack was a mistake, but few people believe that. A
newsreel of the Japanese warplanes sinking the ship "went viral" in
America and shocked the public, especially because America was neutral
in the war. Rather than risk America entering the war on the side of
China, the Japanese apologized and paid compensation.

The Japanese massacre of Nanking and the sinking of the USS Panay were
shocks to the American public, but not shocking enough to change
American opinion against being drawn into the war, especially after
the apology.

When war broke out in Europe in September 1939, President Franklin
D. Roosevelt declared that while the United States would remain
neutral in law, he could "not ask that every American remain neutral
in thought as well." Because the American public was strongly against
entering the war, Roosevelt began supplying weapons to Britain in
exchange for leases on territory, and later on deferred payment terms
known as "The Lend-Lease program," which would not require payment
until after the war.

Over the course of the war, the United States contracted Lend-Lease
agreements with more than 30 countries, dispensing some $50 billion in
assistance. Although British Prime Minister Winston Churchill later
referred to the initiative as "the most unsordid act" one nation had
ever done for another, Roosevelt's primary motivation was not altruism
or disinterested generosity.

The Lend-Lease program didn't originally apply to China, but in
1940-41, Roosevelt formalized U.S. aid to China. The U.S. extended
credits to the Chinese Government for the purchase of war supplies, as
it slowly began to tighten restrictions on Japan.

The United States had been the main supplier of the oil, steel, iron,
and other commodities needed by the Japanese military in China. But
in January, 1940, Japan abrogated the existing treaty of commerce with
the United States. This abrogation gave Roosevelt the ability to cut
off or restrict the flow of military supplies into Japan. After
January 1940, the United States combined a strategy of increasing aid
to China through larger credits and the Lend-Lease program with a
gradual move towards an embargo on the trade of all militarily useful
items with Japan.

In 1940, Japan announced the intention to drive the Western
imperialist nations from Asia. On September 27, 1940, Japan signed
the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy, making China an ally of
the West. Then in mid-1941, Japan signed a Neutrality Pact with the
Soviet Union, freeing Japan's military to move into Southeast Asia. A
third agreement with Vichy France enabled Japanese forces to move into
French Indochina and begin their Southern Advance.

Although negotiations restarted after the United States increasingly
enforced an embargo against Japan, they made little headway. Diplomats
in Washington came close to agreements on a couple of occasions, but
pro-Chinese sentiments in the United States made it difficult to reach
any resolution that would not involve a Japanese withdrawal from
China, and such a condition was unacceptable to Japan's military
leaders. Faced with serious shortages as a result of the embargo,
unable to retreat, and convinced that the U.S. officials opposed
further negotiations, Japan's leaders came to the conclusion that they
had to act swiftly. For their part, U.S. leaders had not given up on a
negotiated settlement, and also doubted that Japan had the military
strength to attack the U.S. territory. Therefore they were stunned
when the unthinkable happened and Japanese planes bombed the
U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. The following day, the
United States declared war on Japan, and it soon entered into a
military alliance with China. When Germany stood by its ally and
declared war on the United States, the Roosevelt Administration faced
war in both Europe and Asia.

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BLM does not care about Taiwan, nor do Mexican illegals, who are about to be made US citizens by China Joe. I don't see them rallying around the American flag in the event of an attack. America is in trouble; Asia is dead.

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Guest wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:39 pm
BLM does not care about Taiwan, nor do Mexican illegals, who are about to be made US citizens by China Joe. I don't see them rallying around the American flag in the event of an attack. America is in trouble; Asia is dead.
A lot of people on the right don't care about Taiwan either.

In fact, I will go further and argue that right now isolationist sentiment is so strong, that the only countries that the American people would generally rally around the flag for in the event of a Chinese attack would be Japan, Russia, and the US itself. The reason I mention Japan and Russia is because they are the only countries which directly border both China and the US.

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** 05-Jan-2021 World View: Russia, Taiwan and Japan
Guest wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:39 pm
> BLM does not care about Taiwan, nor do Mexican illegals, who are
> about to be made US citizens by China Joe. I don't see them
> rallying around the American flag in the event of an
> attack. America is in trouble; Asia is dead.
DaKardii wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:27 pm
> A lot of people on the right don't care about Taiwan either.

> In fact, I will go further and argue that right now isolationist
> sentiment is so strong, that the only countries that the American
> people would generally rally around the flag for in the event of a
> Chinese attack would be Japan, Russia, and the US itself. The
> reason I mention Japan and Russia is because they are the only
> countries which directly border both China and the US.
I feel pretty certain in saying that there will never be any sentiment
in Washington for US armed forces to defend Russia from an attack by
China.

On the other hand, we have mutual defense treaties with Taiwan and
Japan. If we ignore those commitments, then no other country will
trust us.

After World War II, the United States took on the role of Policeman of
the World, and in doing so, signed some sort of mutual defense treaty
with many countries: Japan, South Korea, Israel, Taiwan, the
Philippines, the Marshall Islands, the ANZUS agreement with Australia
and New Zealand, a special treaty with Iceland, and the NATO agreement
with all of Europe. The purpose was to discourage attacks on any of
these allies that would otherwise have the risk of spiraling into
World War III.

China knows this, and that's why they haven't attacked Taiwan in the
last 40 years. At some point they'll decide to take on both Taiwan
and the US, and that's when they'll attack.

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