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Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:51 am
Peanut gallery wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:26 pm
The Democrats and Republicans have both run out of gas. We wed new parties in this country.

If RFK Jr. Is on the ballot,. I'll vote for him. And herein lies the problem: both parties are conspiring to keep the opposition off the ballot. Democracy in America is dead. It's time to restore democracy...
I agree the Republicans are out of gas, or at least the MAGA faction. They seem to care more about old issues than the people. The Democrats are still trying to govern.

In a crisis some old ideas fail and are forgotten (nobility, slavery) while others are introduced (government regulation of the economy, containment). What to one seems like collapse of traditional values to another seems a new birth of freedom. All men becoming more equal could be considered good or bad depending on whether one is on the high or low side of the old inequality. Thus, a white supremacist or believer in European religions might reject the idea that all cultures should be on a more equal footing. The idea that everything is collapsing likely indicates an allegiance with a group on the high side of inequality.

It seems natural to me that each candidate is trying to suppress all the others. The whole idea is to be the one who ends up on top. Thus, it is not unusual or unique that Biden and Trump are using various hooks to suppress opposition. Of course, the 14th Amendment section 3 could reverse this.
... believer in European religions might reject the idea that all cultures should be on a more equal footing.
European religions? You mean like Wotan?
The Democrats are still trying to govern.
No, they are not. They are looting the system along with the Republicans. It is deluded liberals like yourself that keep that rotten machine going.

RFK Jr. is not ideal, but, like Trump, he will shake things up. I only hope that he is allowed to do things and not be impeached by the Democrats on his first day in office like President Trump.

Bob, it's people like you that have jammed up the works and led America to complete breakdown and piratical lawlessness.

Why don't you understand that?

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European religions? You mean like Wotan?
The Democrats are still trying to govern.
No, they are not. They are looting the system along with the Republicans. It is deluded liberals like yourself that keep that rotten machine going.

RFK Jr. is not ideal, but, like Trump, he will shake things up. I only hope that he is allowed to do things and not be impeached by the Democrats on his first day in office like President Trump.

Bob, it's people like you that have jammed up the works and led America to complete breakdown and piratical lawlessness.

Why don't you understand that?
Well, the religious fanatics think they can issue commands to everybody. They do seem to mistake themselves for Wotan. Still, their impressions of moral godhood are mistaken. They should be forgiving sins and granting freedom rather than issuing commands.

The Senate among other things has passed bills to finance the government, support containment world wide. The House has investigated a Biden impeachment which their own witnesses say have no basis in fact. The Republicans habitually cut taxes on the rich, putting increased burden on the working man. They are the ones looting the system.

In my referenced post I listed a bunch of crisis issues and challenged anyone to show the conservative position can result in a positive value. I note you failed to do so. If you could specify an issue and how Democrats have gummed up the works, do so, but throwing out an unsupported opinion won’t do it.

On abortion, the Democrats are supporting the will of the majority. In a democracy, this does not consist of gumming up the works. Not supporting military promotions or being unable to select a speaker would be gumming up the works.

Why don’t you understand that?

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Re: Out of gas?

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 7:41 am
Guest wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:56 am
European religions? You mean like Wotan?
The Democrats are still trying to govern.
No, they are not. They are looting the system along with the Republicans. It is deluded liberals like yourself that keep that rotten machine going.

RFK Jr. is not ideal, but, like Trump, he will shake things up. I only hope that he is allowed to do things and not be impeached by the Democrats on his first day in office like President Trump.

Bob, it's people like you that have jammed up the works and led America to complete breakdown and piratical lawlessness.

Why don't you understand that?
Well, the religious fanatics think they can issue commands to everybody. They do seem to mistake themselves for Wotan. Still, their impressions of moral godhood are mistaken. They should be forgiving sins and granting freedom rather than issuing commands.

The Senate among other things has passed bills to finance the government, support containment world wide. The House has investigated a Biden impeachment which their own witnesses say have no basis in fact. The Republicans habitually cut taxes on the rich, putting increased burden on the working man. They are the ones looting the system.

In my referenced post I listed a bunch of crisis issues and challenged anyone to show the conservative position can result in a positive value. I note you failed to do so. If you could specify an issue and how Democrats have gummed up the works, do so, but throwing out an unsupported opinion won’t do it.

On abortion, the Democrats are supporting the will of the majority. In a democracy, this does not consist of gumming up the works. Not supporting military promotions or being unable to select a speaker would be gumming up the works.

Why don’t you understand that?
I keep asking myself if you are for real...

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Re: Out of gas?

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 7:41 am
Guest wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:56 am
European religions? You mean like Wotan?
The Democrats are still trying to govern.
No, they are not. They are looting the system along with the Republicans. It is deluded liberals like yourself that keep that rotten machine going.

RFK Jr. is not ideal, but, like Trump, he will shake things up. I only hope that he is allowed to do things and not be impeached by the Democrats on his first day in office like President Trump.

Bob, it's people like you that have jammed up the works and led America to complete breakdown and piratical lawlessness.

Why don't you understand that?
Well, the religious fanatics think they can issue commands to everybody. They do seem to mistake themselves for Wotan. Still, their impressions of moral godhood are mistaken. They should be forgiving sins and granting freedom rather than issuing commands.

The Senate among other things has passed bills to finance the government, support containment world wide. The House has investigated a Biden impeachment which their own witnesses say have no basis in fact. The Republicans habitually cut taxes on the rich, putting increased burden on the working man. They are the ones looting the system.

In my referenced post I listed a bunch of crisis issues and challenged anyone to show the conservative position can result in a positive value. I note you failed to do so. If you could specify an issue and how Democrats have gummed up the works, do so, but throwing out an unsupported opinion won’t do it.

On abortion, the Democrats are supporting the will of the majority. In a democracy, this does not consist of gumming up the works. Not supporting military promotions or being unable to select a speaker would be gumming up the works.

Why don’t you understand that?
New Swing State Polls Spell More Bad News For Biden Ahead Of 2024

MARY LOU MASTERS
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October 19, 2023


President Joe Biden trails former President Donald Trump in multiple key swing states for a hypothetical 2024 matchup, according to a Thursday poll.

Across the battleground states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Trump is leading Biden 47% to 43%, according to a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult survey. A majority of the battleground state voters also said the economy was better off under the Trump administration than it is under Biden, with 49% trusting the former on the issue rather than the latter at 35%.

In five of the seven individual swing states polled, Trump led Biden by anywhere from 1 point to 5 points, according to the survey. The two were tied in Michigan at 44%, and Biden beat Trump in Nevada 46% to 43%. (RELATED: Uh Oh: Trump Surges Past Biden In Swing State Polls)

Trump won Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Pennsylvania in 2016 against Hillary Clinton, but lost them all to Biden in 2020. In both elections, Trump secured North Carolina, while the Democratic nominee won Nevada.

Swing-state voters also trusted Trump more than Biden with handling key issues like immigration, crime, U.S.-China relations, guns, the Russia-Ukraine war, regulation of tech companies, housing, infrastructure and labor and unions, according to the survey. Biden led Trump on education and schools, Social Security and Medicare, democracy, health care, abortion and climate change.

The voters were also pessimistic about “Bidenomics,” the economic agenda for the president’s reelection campaign, with only 29% saying it has been good for the economy and 49% saying it has been bad, according to the poll. Among those who said the economy was the most important issue, they disapproved of Biden’s handling 65% to 14%.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/10/19/dona ... cYOB3j72tg
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I'm not too troubled by year ahead polling. The incumbent is usually disparaged this far ahead by thoughts that he could do better. Being the incumbent is not a big advantage until the election gets a lot closer. Obama, for example, was behind this far ahead of his second election.

Besides, I'm a fan of the 14th Amendment section 3. If Trump gets banned from holding office again, there will have to be a big reshuffle on the Republican side. I don't see how any of the other Republican candidates could muster a serious threat to Biden, but it is early enough that someone might. I just can't say who. You can make faith based hoped for result style predictions, but it is way too early to be confident of them.

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Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:23 am
I keep asking myself if you are for real...
On the other hand, I know that you are not, I have repeatedly asked for anyone to defend the Republican positions or propose how they would lead to positive values to be hammered home in the high. You have failed to do so. Vague statements of position using a shared user name don't make you real.

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Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:57 am
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Most of the problems in the world are a result of people rejecting God and basic morality. This is worldwide.

In Arab countries, having been there and interacted with the people, it is as bad or worse than Europe.
Do these Arab countries you visited have homosexual adoption, trans-genders governing the country, open borders, legalized crack cocaine, children being taught about LGBTQplus in the kindergartens, angry feminists destroying traditional families, and collapsing birthrates? :roll:

Pray tell.
The major difference between the West and Arab cultures is the concept of choice. All of the ills in the West you list are the result of people making bad choices (transgenderism, liberal indoctrination, abortion, drug use). In Arab culture it is the lack of choice. You do as you are told by someone in power over you (tribal leader, father, even older brother), or you are physically abused or worse.

Here is what a young, intelligent Muslim woman living in the West wrote on Reddit:

Idk what to do anymore. I’m 22, the eldest daughter of strict Arab Muslim parents with many kids. My dad loves me but he’s toxic and sometimes abusive/ violent. He has supported me financially throughout college, and even now while I’m finding my feet at my residency.
However he is very traditional and I have had to fight and beg and cry for every ounce of freedom I have. At 16 it was to go for coffee with my friend, at 17 it was makeup and wearing pants instead of skirts (got called a whore several times lol), at 18 it was to move out for college, and at 23 it was to not move back home after college. He’s so controlling but I know it’s because of his trauma and PTSD and anxiety from the wars he witnessed but I’m tired of fighting. I can’t deal with the tantrums and meltdowns and screaming and threats and name calling and abuse and paranoia. I just want to be able to go out and be myself without being afraid.
At college I finally came out of my shell, I took off the hijab, I experimented with my style, I built up my confidence, I went outside and actually explored my city and met people instead of being isolated studying in my room 24/7, I built up my personality, I got to know MYSELF outside of being a 2 dimensional symbol of Islam. I’m not ready to give it up. I’m also too old to be living a double life bruh
I just feel so alone idk what to do on one hand I want to move far away and not tell anyone my address but I don’t want to hurt my family esp my mother cos she’s sick and has heart problems and I love her so much and I know she’ll get abuse for it when she’s sacrificed so much for me. I know I’ll get cut off from my siblings and I’m scared for my younger sisters I don’t want to fuck them over. I know my father will try to find me or kill me - he’s said he would do anything to protect his children even if it means killing them.
And I just can’t stop think about this 24/7, but then I’ll call my dad and he tells me I’m the best daughter in the world and he loves me and asks if I need anything and sends me money and buys me whatever I want and I feel like I’m being crazy and making it all up. Maybe I should just be honest with him, maybe he’ll understand.
On the other hand I’m like maybe being/ acting Muslim is the sacrifice I need to make to keep my family, to keep my mother who I love and would miss dearly, to keep my father happy, to be able to speak to my siblings, to be able to visit my home country and see my grandparents before they die, to get married to someone who my family approves of so they’ll be at my wedding. Is the freedom really worth losing everything? I don’t know anymore. I’m scared.

My mother knows, she caught me at work one time. She freaked out but I think she’s more scared for my safety than anything. At first it was difficult and she kept randomly video calling me, turning up at my dorm unannounced with my aunt and uncle, saying I’ve lost my value. But eventually she calmed down but I still felt bad because she’d ask me to start wearing hijab again and beg me to pray and tells me she loves me. She keeps telling me to get married and I’ll be free but I don’t want to get married, I don’t want kids and I don’t want to end up like her I literally have a fear of men at this point.
My brothers are both younger than me but in their 20s and both religious. One of them got married to a girl from back home. Neither of them have to deal with what I have to deal with. My dad never beat me growing up but he beat them, one of them got it the worst it was brutal he was gagged and bound and beaten with a belt, he was hit with a knife, with a frying pan until it bent out of shape, kicked out to the streets and was homeless for months. Now he’s back to college and he has a good relationship with my dad despite having brought police to the house, been arrested multiple times and involved in criminal activities.
I try to talk to him but he throws it in my face that he’s been through worse than me. He doesn’t understand that yes he went through worse than me but he can travel anywhere with his friends, he can go anywhere he wants any time he wants and no one will ask him where are you going. He has had countless relationships and lost count of his body count but tells me not to embarrass him by getting a boyfriend or he’ll kill him. It’s the hypocrisy for me. If I want to see my friend who I haven’t seen in literal months it’s “where are you going? Don’t go to her house. How long? When you coming back? What are you doing? Do you have to go? Why don’t you go with your family instead?”. My dad said if I had even done 1% of what my brother has he’d kill himself. Yet his phone is full of porn and random women my age.
My dad literally moved in with me when I started my residency despite me making it clear I didn’t want that (which made him mad and he accused me of hiding something and threatened to beat me and check my phone). Then when I almost kms he finally agreed to leave and he cried and I felt bad. But then I had to text my location every day and if I missed a day he’d call my workplace and lecture me. And when I try to explain this to my brothers they’re just like “yeah that sucks” and “stop acting weird” and “when they die you’ll regret this” and that’s it. My mother just says “it’s not control we love you and care about you”.
I wish I was white tbh fuck this backwards culture


This seems to be typical of 1st generation emigrees in the West. It points at what family life is like in the Arab world.

In the Arab world, you go against authority, you end up dead.

My conversation with some Jordanian Army officers once (they are the most liberal/westernized I worked with):
Me "So I heard that Jordan has freedom of religion"
Them "Yes, we do, in theory anyway"
Me "So what would happen if someone in your extended family actually became a Christian"
Them "We would kill them"

In the Arab world, women are treated as servants/slaves. They are forced into marriage by their extended families, usually at young ages. They are regularly abused by husbands. Look into rates of Arab women getting divorced once they reach the west and figure out that they actually have rights and protection.

Physical abuse of children is rampant (note what the woman in the above says about her brothers, and that is in the WEST). Sodomization of young boys is common. Pornography is even more rampant in the Arab world than in the West, and that's saying a lot.

Also, BTW, in Arab cultures there are no open borders, because, if your a stranger, not from a local clan, they will probably kill you.
I just tell people that I support both sides killing the other in as large a number as possible

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Re: Out of gas?

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:56 am
I'm not too troubled by year ahead polling. The incumbent is usually disparaged this far ahead by thoughts that he could do better. Being the incumbent is not a big advantage until the election gets a lot closer. Obama, for example, was behind this far ahead of his second election.

Besides, I'm a fan of the 14th Amendment section 3. If Trump gets banned from holding office again, there will have to be a big reshuffle on the Republican side. I don't see how any of the other Republican candidates could muster a serious threat to Biden, but it is early enough that someone might. I just can't say who. You can make faith based hoped for result style predictions, but it is way too early to be confident of them.
I didn't post that news article just because Trump is ahead in the polls.

It was to show that Trump is polling ahead of Biden on more key issues, which would also imply that Republicans are polling ahead of Democrats on more key issues. Which explains why Republicans are turning certain states, as they did in Louisiana this month, where the Trump supported candidate won the governorship.
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 7:41 am
In my referenced post I listed a bunch of crisis issues and challenged anyone to show the conservative position can result in a positive value. I note you failed to do so. If you could specify an issue and how Democrats have gummed up the works, do so, but throwing out an unsupported opinion won’t do it.
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Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:46 am
New Swing State Polls Spell More Bad News For Biden Ahead Of 2024


MARY LOU MASTERS
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October 19, 2023

Swing-state voters also trusted Trump more than Biden with handling key issues like immigration, crime, U.S.-China relations, guns, the Russia-Ukraine war, regulation of tech companies, housing, infrastructure and labor and unions, according to the survey. Biden led Trump on education and schools, Social Security and Medicare, democracy, health care, abortion and climate change.

The voters were also pessimistic about “Bidenomics,” the economic agenda for the president’s reelection campaign, with only 29% saying it has been good for the economy and 49% saying it has been bad, according to the poll. Among those who said the economy was the most important issue, they disapproved of Biden’s handling 65% to 14%.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/10/19/dona ... cYOB3j72tg
You've also touted Bidenomics a number of times, but Bidenomics is not gaining any traction with voters.
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As of this morning China is sending six warships to the Middle East.

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As of this morning China is sending six warships to the Middle East.

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/xb/News_213114/To ... 60011.html

44th Chinese naval escort taskforce arrives in Kuwait

Source: China Military Online Editor:Lin Congyi 2023-10-19 17:01:14


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Local people at Shuwaikh Port, Kuwait, board a ship of the visiting 44th Chinese naval escort taskforce on October 18. (Photo by He Congcong)

SHUWAIKH PORT, Kuwait, Oct. 19 -- After successfully concluding its visit to Oman, the 44th Chinese naval escort taskforce arrived at Shuwaikh Port, Kuwait, as planned, on the morning of October 18, for a five-day goodwill visit.

Guided by Kuwaiti naval patrol craft Failaka, warships of the Chinese taskforce including ship Zibo, ship Jingzhou and ship Qiandaohu docked at Shuwaikh Port, Kuwait, at around 9:00 in the morning. They were welcomed by more than 200 people including representatives of the Kuwaiti military, staff of the Chinese Embassy in Kuwait, and overseas Chinese.

After that, participants in the ceremony boarded the ships Zibo and Jingzhou for visit and exchange activities.

According to the commander of the Chinese taskforce, this year marks the 5th anniversary of the establishment of the China-Kuwait strategic partnership, and also the 10th anniversary of the Belt and Road Initiative. It is hoped that this visit will help facilitate mutual understanding and trust, and promote exchanges and cooperation between the two countries and two militaries.

During the visit, both sides will call on and visit each other, and hold deck reception, military exchanges, cultural and sports exchanges and other activities.

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