Generational Dynamics World View News

[Tom Mazanec]

For example, a very lethal virus can be harmful, but because of biological realities, can't spread far.

Is this an iron law? Is it theoretically possible, cool breeze, to have a virus with the R0 of measles and the IFR of ebola or even rabies (the 'Mazanec' virus?)?

[thomasglee]

What makes me most sad is that while I do NOT trust the Chinese, I also do not trust our own government and I honestly would not be surprised if, at some time in the future, it was discovered that America truly did unleash the virus on the world.

China Doubles Down On COVID Origins Conspiracy As Delta Wave Worsens

...conspiracy theory alleges that the virus originated at a military lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland. While that might seem outlandish to most Americans, plenty of Chinese citizens are taking the reports at face value.

The Chinese are going to do what they are going to do, and yes we need to recognize it. But the likes of Fauci, Gates, and many of our "elected" leaders should be swinging from the gallows on the basis of this treason - their blatant assistance to the Chinese Communist Party and damage they have done to their supposed country, the USA.

[John]

** 06-Aug-2021 World View: Useful idiocy

> What makes me most sad is that while I do NOT trust the Chinese, I
> also do not trust our own government and I honestly would not be
> surprised if, at some time in the future, it was discovered that
> America truly did unleash the virus on the world.

> China
> Doubles Down On COVID Origins Conspiracy As Delta Wave
> Worsens

> ...conspiracy theory alleges that the virus originated at a
> military lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland. While that might seem
> outlandish to most Americans, plenty of Chinese citizens are
> taking the reports at face value.

Well, believe what you want, say what you want, but remember this: If
it turns out (as is certainly the case) that the Chinese launched the
virus, then you would have helped the Chinese by helping them to
deflect blame from themselves, which is always their strategy, and you
would be serving them as what they would call "a useful idiot."

[thomasglee]

And if you're found to be wrong, you will be called a useful idiot yourself.

You need to learn to let others express themselves without delving into being an ass about it. Not once did I say I doubt the Chinese are behind it. All I said was that what makes me sad is that if one day it was found to be true that it was the USA I wouldn't be all that surprised. I wish our government wasn't so untrustworthy that such a thought could even creep into my mind, but it does because they are and I am a realist who understands that not everything is as it seems.

It is not unfathomable to believe it could be a joint effort between some in our government and the Chinese.

Think outside the box....

** 06-Aug-2021 World View: Useful idiocy

> What makes me most sad is that while I do NOT trust the Chinese, I
> also do not trust our own government and I honestly would not be
> surprised if, at some time in the future, it was discovered that
> America truly did unleash the virus on the world.

> China
> Doubles Down On COVID Origins Conspiracy As Delta Wave
> Worsens

> ...conspiracy theory alleges that the virus originated at a
> military lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland. While that might seem
> outlandish to most Americans, plenty of Chinese citizens are
> taking the reports at face value.

Well, believe what you want, say what you want, but remember this: If
it turns out (as is certainly the case) that the Chinese launched the
virus, then you would have helped the Chinese by helping them to
deflect blame from themselves, which is always their strategy, and you
would be serving them as what they would call "a useful idiot."

[John]

** 06-Aug-2021 World View: China infuriated by Biden's offer of 'safe haven' to Hong Kong refugees

President Joe Biden offered "safe haven" to Hong Kong to thousands of
Hong Kong refugees in the United States for 18 months, infuriating the
Chinese Communists.

This was in response to the harsh crackdown by the Chinese Communists
on Hong Kong pro-democracy activists, including "disappearing" dozens
of them. Many such activists have fled Hong Kong for the US, Canada,
Australia, or the UK. These countries have all taken steps to make
fleeing to their countries easier.


According to China's Foreign Ministry:

> "[The move] slandered and smeared Hong Kong’s national
> security law, nakedly intervened in Hong Kong affairs and China’s
> internal affairs, and blatantly trampled on international law and
> the basic norms of international relations. ...

> [The US was] weaving lies and slandering Hong Kong’s national
> security laws, blatantly beautifying the anti-China chaos in Hong
> Kong, and presumptuously offering the so-called ‘safe haven.' It
> is a vain attempt to stigmatize Hong Kong, stigmatize China, and
> stop at nothing to undermine Hong Kong through petty
> actions."

Biden's announcement causes problems for the Chinese Communists on
multiple levels.

First, it humliates the CCP by "smearing Hong Kong's national security
law," and that's a good thing, because the law deserves to be smeared.

Second, it puts out of reach thousands of Hong Kong pro-democracy
advocates that the CCP would like to jail, torture and kill.

Third, it exacerbates a problem that the CCP has with its long-term
plan to conquer the United States, use a biological weapon to kill all
the Americans, leaving the land completely unpopulated, and then
colonizing it with Chinese.

The problem is that the Chinese people in China are apparently willing
to go along with killing the Americans, but they're opposed to killing
the Chinese people in America. So this makes the CCP's problem more
complicated, as they try to come up with a biological weapon that
kills everyone except those with a Chinese DNA.

-- Biden offers 'safe haven' to Hong Kong residents in U.S. after
China crackdown
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-08-05/
(Reuters, 6-Aug-2021)

-- China slams US offer of safe havens for Hong Kong residents
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... g-79307618
(AP, 6-Aug-2021)

[DaKardii]

What makes me most sad is that while I do NOT trust the Chinese, I also do not trust our own government and I honestly would not be surprised if, at some time in the future, it was discovered that America truly did unleash the virus on the world.

China Doubles Down On COVID Origins Conspiracy As Delta Wave Worsens

...conspiracy theory alleges that the virus originated at a military lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland. While that might seem outlandish to most Americans, plenty of Chinese citizens are taking the reports at face value.

I'm in the same boat as you. Both the CCP and our own government are run by criminally insane psychopaths, so either one of the "intentional bioweapon" theories turning out to be true wouldn't surprise me in the least.

As for which theory I'm leaning towards, I used to lean towards the "American bioweapon" theory up until a few weeks ago. That changed when the CCP stated that it was willing to repeatedly and continuously nuke Japan if the latter intervened in an invasion of Taiwan in any way, shape, or form. After that, I'm now completely on the fence, not leaning towards anything while being strongly tempted to lean towards the "CCP bioweapon" theory. To me, it's a matter of which of the two superpowers has the more insane leadership.

Meanwhile, even if the CCP does turn out to be more insane than our own government, that still doesn't give our government an excuse to warmonger in its own right. But then again, such a response is probably inevitable. We're in a crisis era and our government is run primarily by younger Baby Boomers and older Gen-Xers, who are much less risk-adverse than their parents because they didn't come of age during the previous crisis war (World War II). And thus, they're much more prone to making reckless decisions than their parents were.

[John]

** 06-Aug-2021 World View: More useful idiocy

> And if you're found to be wrong, you will be called a useful idiot
> yourself.

Lol! By the Biden administration?

If the virus had been planted by the US, then the Chinese would have
figured that out by September 12, 2019, and they would have announced
that and gotten the WHO to announce that long before now. The whole
concept is ridiculous.

> You need to learn to let others express themselves without delving
> into being an ass about it. Not once did I say I doubt the Chinese
> are behind it. All I said was that what makes me sad is that if
> one day it was found to be true that it was the USA I wouldn't be
> all that surprised. I wish our government wasn't so untrustworthy
> that such a thought could even creep into my mind, but it does
> because they are and I am a realist who understands that not
> everything is as it seems.

> It is not unfathomable to believe it could be a joint effort
> between some in our government and the Chinese.

> Think outside the box....

I've been called a lot worse, so being called an ass is the least
of my concerns.

I've been following the situation in Afghanistan pretty closely for
months, and yesterday the Taliban captured a major provincial capital.
Today, the UN envoy to Afghanistan Deborah Lyons said the following
(my transcription):

> "There had been expcectation that when the agreement
> was signed in March 2020 we would see a reduction in violance. We
> did not. There had an expectation that when the peace talks began
> in September that we would see reducion in violence. We did not.
> There had been an expectation that when foreign troops left, we
> would see a reduction in violence. We did not.

> Instead we've seen a 50% -- five zero -- increase in civilian
> casualties, with the certainty of many more, as the cities are
> attacked."

What a pile of crap. Not only is she a useful idiot, it also shows
how the entire United Nations is a bunch of useful idiots, repeatedly
kowtowing to the likes of China. Her expectation was a reduction in
violence? This is worse than a useful idiot. This is a total idiot.
You'd think she would be humiliated and embarrassed to make this
statement, but nothing embarrasses these idiots.

Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi was a useful idiot for
the Burmese army, defending their genocide, until the army turned
against her, and buried her deep in some prison.

The WHO were a bunch of useful idiots for the Chinese, by supporting
their lies about the Wuhan virus.

Anthony Fauci was a useful idiot, paying for funding for the Wuhan
lab, covering it up, and lying about it.

I've spent the last couple of days immersing myself in various
documents about Chinese strategy, and we may be close to being the
target of a massive nuclear attack by the Chinese Communists. Their
whole strategy is based on deception and deflection, such as
pretending to be threatening Taiwan, when the real target is the US.

So I am getting REALLY REALLY sick and tired of crap from trolls and
useful idiots.

DaKardii says the same thing as you, but I tend to shrug when he says
it.

But I expect a lot more from you, because you lived in Korea for 20
years. You know very well how the CCP uses deception and deflection
to cover up their plans. In fact, wasn't it you just a few days ago
in another thread where you accused me and Americans of being naïve,
saying that you've lived in Asia for 20 years, and you see through the
CCP's lies whereas Americans are always being fooled? That was you,
wasn't it? And now you're doing the same thing? What the hell???

[Cool Breeze]

And if you're found to be wrong, you will be called a useful idiot yourself.

You need to learn to let others express themselves without delving into being an ass about it. Not once did I say I doubt the Chinese are behind it. All I said was that what makes me sad is that if one day it was found to be true that it was the USA I wouldn't be all that surprised. I wish our government wasn't so untrustworthy that such a thought could even creep into my mind, but it does because they are and I am a realist who understands that not everything is as it seems.

It is not unfathomable to believe it could be a joint effort between some in our government and the Chinese.

Think outside the box....

** 06-Aug-2021 World View: Useful idiocy

> What makes me most sad is that while I do NOT trust the Chinese, I
> also do not trust our own government and I honestly would not be
> surprised if, at some time in the future, it was discovered that
> America truly did unleash the virus on the world.

> China
> Doubles Down On COVID Origins Conspiracy As Delta Wave
> Worsens

> ...conspiracy theory alleges that the virus originated at a
> military lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland. While that might seem
> outlandish to most Americans, plenty of Chinese citizens are
> taking the reports at face value.

Well, believe what you want, say what you want, but remember this: If
it turns out (as is certainly the case) that the Chinese launched the
virus, then you would have helped the Chinese by helping them to
deflect blame from themselves, which is always their strategy, and you
would be serving them as what they would call "a useful idiot."

John has a lot of good characteristics and insight but he lacks humility frequently because he cannot admit he is wrong on certain topics, even when it is obvious to people paying attention, who are just as smart as he is and on certain topics also have more wisdom.

Members of the American government WERE responsible (Fauci) for the release of the virus, at least indirectly. But the American government did not plan on this happening, only certain corrupt members advanced somebody else's goal. My view is that global elites put it in motion taking advantage of China's general desire to assist in creating chaos, causing a double win. A guy like Fauci gets his orders from people in much different areas or shadows than the Chinese, who at this point are a real problem for everyone, but still overseen by larger global powers.

[Navigator]

We have to start from the basis that everything they say is a lie,
since that's the case 90% of the time. I note that the September 12
action by the Wuhan Virology Lab of deleting their Virus Database was
a sufficiently public event that the CCP leadership should have known
about it, and would have taken control, and the CCP's criminal
activity would have begun on September 12.

I agree that the CCP are a bunch of lying murderous thieves. I would agree that CCP criminal activity probably started around September, but was probably just by local CCP leaders at first.

I am sure they did everything possible to keep this from getting to top level (national) leadership as long as they could. This is part of problem with a communist system. Those who could marshal appropriate resources to deal with the problem don't know about it until in is too late due to underlings not wanted to appear incompetent (we could call this the Chernobyl effect).

Not that CCP leadership would do the right thing anyway (they will try to shaft the rest of the world whenever possible).

[Navigator]

Members of the American government WERE responsible (Fauci) for the release of the virus, at least indirectly. But the American government did not plan on this happening, only certain corrupt members advanced somebody else's goal. My view is that global elites put it in motion taking advantage of China's general desire to assist in creating chaos, causing a double win. A guy like Fauci gets his orders from people in much different areas or shadows than the Chinese, who at this point are a real problem for everyone, but still overseen by larger global powers.

Too many people think there is some kind of vast conspiracy to take over the world.

Conspiracies are incredibly difficult to pull off (if not impossible). Someone always talks. The more people involved, the sooner this happens.

So if there had been some kind of conspiracy to take put us all under the control of some "new world order", we would have heard about it by now from an insider with actual evidence.

Instead of conspiracy, the overall common attribute of world leadership is INCOMPETENCE.

I don't believe Fauci is "getting orders" from anyone. I think that he is (and has been doing) what he personally thinks is right.

It's been pointed out that he was involved in providing funds for the Chinese to conduct bioresearch (which is so far beyond naïve it should be inconceivable for a senior administrator). Then tried to cover it up and/or lied about this (as it pointed to incompetence).

The shutting down of the country (US or others) was and is a giant mistake. Note Sweden (of all places) as the contrast. Same or less effects, but without mind-blowing economic damage.

Too many have for too long thought that the best way to deal with the Chinese was to increase trade and interaction with them. All this has done is enabled them to become a powerful enemy. You do not change dictators (which is what the CCP are) by giving them money! You do not "improve relations" by giving them access to your technology and secrets! Doing research with Chinese is unbelievably naïve, and a manifestation of incompetence.