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Reality Check wrote:Given that, the only way to press the reset button will be to replace the society after this one self destructs. That is not something any sane person would hope for, however, neither sane people, nor the hopes of sane people may have anything to do with those who make the decisions leading to such a self destruction.

I think that's right. The issues are technically complex, and we are getting boxed in as the subcultures are being lost. I think there's enough left that if the collapse happens now, it can still be regenerated.

Reality Check wrote:

Higgenbotham wrote:
The Cambodian jungle girl was lost at age 9 and returned to civilization 18 years later. I would posit that her failure to be reformed is due to the length of time she was away, not to any previous mental condition. There's no indication from what I've read that she was mentally deficient before being lost.

You might want to think about that one for a minute.

How many 7, 8 or 9 year old girls do you know that have any trouble at all using a vocabulary of at least thousands of words, and talking endlessly ?

The joke/truism here is: "We spent the first two years trying to get our children to walk and talk. We spent the next 16 years trying to get them to sit down and shut up."

Humans are designed, genetically, to talk. Granted they must be around people to learn. But human babies are the most dependent in the animal kingdom. Even if the one in one billion, raised by animals, stories were true; even after a disaster that killed 99.9% of the humans on earth, the remaining babies would be raised by human survivors and they would talk.

From anything I know about it, she was normal at the time she left. But I'm not able to recall a specific article that I can get to in order to show that. 18 years was probably long enough, and whatever trauma she went though was traumatic enough, that she lost her ability to speak.

A vast infrastructure has been put in place to make children into what they grow up to be. I don't think it can be lost for too long before the human race can turn into something that is unrecognizable. I'm not really saying humans will be walking on all fours and unable to talk, unless there are only enough humans left that they are all raised by packs of animals, which obviously is not going to happen. But the loss of the socialization infrastructure for more than a few years could have some pretty serious effects, as I think these extreme examples show. That's what I meant by the veneer is thin. The veneer is partly what we have the luxury to do without fully realizing the significance of it that makes the next generation what it is. One example that comes to mind. It's only recently that humans have lived long enough to see their grandchildren grow up. When I see the impact that grandparents have on the development of their grandchildren, it is huge. If a collapse shortens lifespan that advantage will be lost.

This is a comment I read this morning about how the current dominant system is effective at annihilating subcultures. Somewhere along the line, in a previous post, he gave his reasons why the current dominant system has been more effective than any previous systems like dictatorships, for example, in doing so.

I promised a better answer to the first comment Pfgetty2013 made to this post:

“No way are we going to give up capitalism, at least not until most of humanity, and much of the rest of the living world, has died. There simply isn’t another plan that makes sense to the people with the power, or to most of us peons.
Nice to think about though.”

This frame of mind is exemplar of how our current form of civilization – global capitalism (or capitalist industrial civilization, as I like to call it) – ideologically dominates its inhabitants. People cannot even begin to imagine a different way of living because they have been made dependent on the system through dispossession of alternative means of subsistence. The masses have truly been reduced to consumers who are taught not to question the system, but to be obedient and conforming.

The superstructure of global capitalism is supported and protected by its institutions and ideas:

1.) Governments and their legal systems administer and regulate the capitalist process.

2.) The military, police, prison complex, and surveillance apparatus serve to enforce the capitalist process.

3.) The consumer culture only allows pro-market solutions.

These three pillars of the capitalist superstructure are very sophisticated and persuasive in diverting and co-opting discontent into forms that reinforce capitalism’s own institutions. Elections, corporate-funded nonprofits, nongovernmental organizations (NGO’s), community-based organizations (CBO’s), corporate-funded think tanks, etc. reinforce the system of capitalist authority and the illusion of democracy. They make people feel they are making a difference, when in fact the participants are tightening the bonds of their own oppression.

http://collapseofindustrialcivilization ... ment-16169

http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... tart=10380
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-0 ... al-warming
http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... node#p9139

If you have to convince a group of people who are not directly dependent on a solution of a problem, you will never succeed. Only to bureaucrats can the idea occur that establishing new offices, promulgating new decrees, and increasing the number of government employees alone can be described as positive and beneficial measures. The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution. lvm

Reality Check wrote:

Higgenbotham wrote:
The Cambodian jungle girl was lost at age 9 and returned to civilization 18 years later. I would posit that her failure to be reformed is due to the length of time she was away, not to any previous mental condition. There's no indication from what I've read that she was mentally deficient before being lost.

You might want to think about that one for a minute.

How many 7, 8 or 9 year old girls do you know that have any trouble at all using a vocabulary of at least a thousands words, and talking endlessly with those words ?

This is the closest I can come, from a news article about a week after she was found.

They attribute the girl’s loss of speech and traumatized behavior to 18 years as the companion of a jungle spirit who has now abandoned her.

Rocham Phoeung’s family hope she can learn to speak again, that she may get psychological help and go back to school, 18 years late.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/21 ... s-mystery/

She still wasn't speaking some 4 years after being found. Her sister said they would like her to speak to them but she has no interest.

I have read other culture shock issues and the jungle people know point blank there is no actual mind left in the civilized to salvage.
Living in a box as they would say was rather simply insane with out family members sharing life. Puts a different spin on Dunbars
number if you live in, or out of the actual box. When they stripped the land from the Amish here when they went after the children
to "teach" them or else the organized religions locally went silent. In faith they left for another State with there childrens mind intact
to learn how to survive. Look what we have now with the stated 1963 goals on "higher social values"
As we noted they are attacking charter schools again so the cycle repeats. To be blunt as my young adults state they
are released brain dead with a 500 word vocabulary and they have the back bone to state they want money to fix it.
As we noted from the Whitehall study a percentage are not viable healthy souls. Social order is not civilized on any level
and just because the top percentages think so is just the rate of fixed capital leaving your pocket. It is always the same
sociopaths in scaled amount to the population from the same sociopaths who murder with germs, guns and steel.
Trends are easy to spot just as Dr Peter Breggins points out clearly with the medicated cults of induced insanity.

I can relate to the length of time issue myself, which is why I noticed the issue of the feral children, and why I harp about Bernanke delaying the cleansing process because to me they are one and the same.

The girl who was gone for 18 years could not be reformed. I realize one example does not constitute proof. The Ukrainian girl who was gone until age 8 could be reformed with difficulty but for sure she consumed more resources than she will ever give back.

I spent 8 years doing my own work on rental properties. 11 years later, my Dad asked me to replace a water heater. I grabbed my tools and was done in 2 hours, just as would have happened 11 years previous. At the time there was no question in my mind that I was capable of doing this, or that there would be any difficulty whatsoever. But now, 20 years later, I would be very hesitant. I could point to other examples of the same type of thing, but I think that illustrates it well.

The manufacturing has been off shore for too long. The US population has been nonproductive for too long. At some point there is no turning back.

aedens wrote:I have read other culture shock issues and the jungle people know point blank there is no actual mind left in the civilized to salvage.

That thought did occur to me also. Her sister says she is not interested in speaking to the family, not that she doesn't think she is capable.

Over ten percent of americans think html is a std and usb is a europeon state and the "educated" want more money from us.
The cannot compete so they stick a gun in your face. Same experts as Alaric took care of business and the commoners rejoiced with less taxes.

The Five Pillars of the U.S. Military-Industrial Complex
by Rodrigue Tremblay
<snip>
In 1991, at the end of the Cold War, the U.S. defense budget was $298.9 billion. In 2006, that budget had increased to $447.4 billion, and this does not include the $100 billion-plus spent in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. It is estimated that American military expenditures represent, at a very minimum, close to half of total world military outlays (48 per cent of the world total in 2005, according to official figures), while the U.S. accounts for less than 5 per cent of world population and about 25 per cent of world total output. —As a percentage, the U.S. military expenses gobble up a minimum of 21 per cent of the total American federal budget (2006=$ 2,144.3 billion). Such a military budget is larger than the gross domestic product (GDP) of some countries, such as Belgium or Sweden. —It is sort of a government within a government.
In 2006, the U.S. Department of Defense employed 2,143,000 people, while it estimates that private defense contractors employ 3,600,000 workers, for a grand total of 5,743,000 defense-related American jobs, or 3.8% of the total labor force. In addition, there are close to 25 million veterans in the United States. Therefore, it is safe to say that more than 30 million Americans receive checks which originate directly or indirectly from the U. S. military budget. Assuming conservatively only two voting-age people per household, this translates into a block of some 60 million American voters who have a financial stake in the American military establishment. Thus the clear danger of a militarized society perpetuating itself politically.

Higgenbotham wrote:

aedens wrote:I have read other culture shock issues and the jungle people know point blank there is no actual mind left in the civilized to salvage.

That thought did occur to me also. Her sister says she is not interested in speaking to the family, not that she doesn't think she is capable.

http://www.christianchronicler.com/hist ... rough.html

As noted the civilian tech bots have taken over vast portions of the pentagon and the results have been typical. As we noted attaching spliced genetics and gpu to devices solves little in the way of confidence. For me a book from Prof. Millard from Yale settled that notion in the Levant region what is wrong with affairs. Also the actual history of lehman and a few other actors to the percieved ethics question of American autonomy cleared up some issues many wish to ignore.

As we stated clearly defense is not the issue....

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent in relationship to the degree of intellectual integrations to be seen as being accurate like a particular weather pattern that will hit in a particular week 10 years from now. This reflects just as another sponsored statist science as climate change that was just a global warming narrative. Point is simply that data fragility to trends and actual as found variables did not even apply to the current modality of the subject to actual repression of simple revenue gathering intent. There are no accidents so it is profoundly mistaken to consider economics as a study. Veil of darkness based on violence just as Molech is a day care provider.

food will be the weapon of choice