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gerald wrote:Maybe H ---- Things are bubbling, the question is --- what comes to the surface first the good or the bad? an indication of possibilities?
a had posted an important developing relationship between the bubble and the real economy a few days ago. He may have deleted it. The link describes what is coming to the surface with the integrated oil companies and how they are having to (or choosing to) sell off assets to pay dividends because the bubble has increased the cost of extraction beyond what the consumer can pay for the oil. Therefore, the projects are no longer economic and burn up their cash flow. For years we have been noting that the cost of extraction is far outstripping wage inflation, and vehicle miles traveled have been falling. Hussman doesn't talk about that specifically. He sees it as just another Fed induced bubble blowing episode, but a really big bubble blowing episode, with typical misallocation away from production.

I think this was the link; it describes it as "Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending" actually. That seems like an appropriate title.
http://ourfiniteworld.com/2014/02/25/be ... -spending/
Gail wrote:Steve Kopits recently gave a presentation explaining our current predicament: the cost of oil extraction has been rising rapidly (10.9% per year) but oil prices have been flat. Major oil companies are finding their profits squeezed, and have recently announced plans to sell off part of their assets in order to have funds to pay their dividends. Such an approach is likely to lead to an eventual drop in oil production. I have talked about similar points previously (here and here), but Kopits adds some additional perspectives which he has given me permission to share with my readers. I encourage readers to watch the original hour-long presentation at Columbia University, if they have the time.
Steve wrote:People in the industry thought, “Capex has been going up and up. It will continue to do very well. We have been on this trajectory forever, and we are just going to get more and more money out of this.”

Now why is that? The reason is that in a Demand constrained model for those of you who took economics–price equals marginal cost. Right? So if my costs are going up, the price will also go up. Right? That is a Demand constrained model. So if it costs me more to get oil, it is no big deal, the market will recognize that at some point, in a Demand constrained model.

Not in a Supply constrained model! In a Supply constrained model, the price goes up to a price that is very similar to the monopoly price, after which you really can’t raise it, because that marginal consumer would rather do with less than pay more. They will not recognize [pay] your marginal cost. In that model, you get to a price, and after that price, there is significant resistance from the consumer to moving up off of that price. That is the “Supply Constrained Price.” If your costs continue to come up underneath you, the consumer won’t recognize it.

The rapidly growing Capex forecast is implicitly a Demand constrained forecast. It says, sure Capex can go up to a trillion dollars a year. We can spend a trillion dollars a year looking for oil and gas. The global economy will accept that.
Imagine trying to sell the idea to the public that the oil companies are in trouble and we need to help them out.
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Drop down asset measures are key to who can sustain net working capital and responsive risk management teams
to prevent fixed capital liability sinks. As we warned countless times life is margin now. They locked themselves into
discussion and the best thing would be brick them in permanately and reclaim what already has been destoyed
in the narrative they are polishing.
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aedens wrote:Drop down asset measures are key to who can sustain net working capital and responsive risk management teams to prevent fixed capital loses. As we warned countless times life is margin now.
If I understand correctly, a, "dusting off your Bagehot" does not pass for proper analysis of the situation as applied to a complex industrial civilization?

Since Bagehot and Morgan traveled through the streets via horse and carriage, they didn't need to worry about those small details.
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More time to unfold this thread thought we seen long ago also.....
context: http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... els#p10800

probable pattern recognition conditions trended
previous thread: Even if you provide accurate data you will be eaten by that tribe. Simply they are what we discussed as the proverbial fatal deceit as before. Hayek knew this as did Keynes since they only differed on the entry point to sort out needed cartels on what you may remember as the cluster nodes which keep these neo pagans today from eating each other.

Onward: Printing fiat does not advance production with finite resources. How many are needed to provide since there are no accidents in politics would of been better to simplify things.
The books in the end meet expectations rather abruptly. As we understand GAAP to Marked to Market on drop down assets.

Bagehot: character of leaders was often more important than their political affiliation or beliefs so yes it is about clear details.

But despite overwhelming scientific evidence and overwhelming public opinion, climate change deniers still exist," Reid noted.

The culmination of why we need term limits... Given what they still cannot discuss what actually is....

I would attribute it to rule #22 we already posted some days back.
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I don't know what they're going to do at this point. If they weren't smart enough to do the right thing in 2008, there's no way the same group can untangle this can of worms, and I don't see anyone on the horizon who can. I think Putin understands it is now every man for himself.
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Well some do not have that option given what has to be done. The natural economy will adjust that issue anyways and always will.
Must be the equity sort list night for the bloated ticks to seek cover.

btw : #22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

Then on to platos linear caveman #23 and #24 .......

The central political issue today is the ratio of revenue increases to spending cuts in deficit reduction as the only actual fact and the fastest growth sector is the dimmcrat poverty vote industry sector. As before we noted long ago the Democrats who may watch the ship go down on countless workers who already are, and have been abused as the Locust Republican also who are joined to the hip with the White Flags as Larry Summers knows they truly are in zones because Romney would not explain actual issues of needed structural reforms and the current illness of GOP group think that we must pay or else for miscreants who cannot cross there legs.

It is called the Climate Resilience Fund: a euphemism with all the Obama markings, since resilience is just another name for disaster relief.
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As many consider options we will preserve assets for the customer to provide value.
The emory study as before holds a percentage of truth as are a few others we are aware of here.

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I do not favor regulation of either oil or gas exports from the US. On the other hand, I think that a little discipline by the E&P companies might be in order so they don't have to beg the American people to bail them out of the over-production mess that they have created knowingly for themselves. Any business that over-produces whatever it makes has to live with lower prices. Why should oil and gas producers get a pass from the free-market laws of supply and demand?
http://oilprice.com/Interviews/Shale-th ... erman.html
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Chartists may find the following interesting from Art Cashin this
morning:

I would think the onus is on the bulls. Jason Goepfert over at
SentimenTrader found a really little odd thing today. We made a 52
week high in the S&P, we are now higher than that high. But in the
four days we got higher, the breadth was negative, and that's only
happened a few times since 1940, and in many of the times, that
resulted in a selloff. Now the viewers can get a quick answer on
this, because it happens almost immediately. so if nothing happens
over the next 3 days, you can throw that out the window. -- Art Cashin
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Was "1984" fiction? or a look into the future?

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