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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:08 pm
by Cool Breeze
John wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:57 am Wednesday, November 16, 2022
Cool Breeze wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:19 pm Friendly fire. Nothing will happen, so
it doesn't matter anyway.
So today it's turning out that the
friendly fire description is
correct. How did CB know that so early?
He must have gotten that information
from his Russian troll masters.
Thanks for the indirect admission that I know what I'm talking about. Maybe one day you'll come around.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:09 pm
by Cool Breeze
thomasglee wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:10 am
John wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:57 am Wednesday, November 16, 2022
Cool Breeze wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:19 pm Friendly fire. Nothing will happen, so
it doesn't matter anyway.
So today it's turning out that the
friendly fire description is
correct. How did CB know that so early?
He must have gotten that information
from his Russian troll masters.
Some of us just don't immediately believe everything the MSM tells us to believe.
When you know who or what the problem is, it really isn't that hard to figure out.

This is the main blindspot of this site. Not all posters, and not all the time, but a lot of it.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:04 pm
by Tom Mazanec
EUROPE POLITICS
NATO chief says Poland blast likely caused by Ukrainian missile — but not Ukraine’s fault
PUBLISHED WED, NOV 16 20226:58 AM ESTUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/nato-sa ... fault.html

Russia pounds Ukraine in heaviest missile strikes of war
Max Hunder, Pavel Polityuk and Dan Peleschuk
Tue, November 15, 2022 at 8:25 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-pounds-uk ... 59654.html

NATO allies wake up to Russian supremacy in the Arctic
Jacob Gronholt-Pedersen and Gwladys Fouche
Wed, November 16, 2022 at 6:39 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/nato-allies-wake ... 53199.html

Japan scrambles fighters for Chinese aircraft near Okinawa
By KEISHI KOJA
STARS AND STRIPES • November 15, 2022
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_p ... 58184.html

DoD fails audit, sees Ukraine as ‘teachable moment’ in accountability
By Joe Gould
Nov 16, 08:04 AM
https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/20 ... ntability/

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:51 pm
by John
Wednesday November 16, 2022

Can Elon Musk save Twitter?

The survival of Twitter depends on
being able to solve the hate speech
problem . Twitter has been using
thousands of content moderators to read
every tweet , recognize hate speech,
and remove those that are offensive.

This is exactly the kind of situation
where computer software systems solve a
problem. In the 1970s, large rooms
containing typing pools with dozens of
typists were replaced by word
processing software. In the 1980s,
large rooms containing dozens ohf
accountants were replaced by accounting
software.


So now we have large rooms containng
dozens or hundreds of human content
moderators. It should be possible to
replace those with content moderation
software systems.

Elon Musk is the perfect person t to
develop a content moderation software
system. He and his engineering staff
are already experts in developing and
deploying practical artificial
intelligence systems. If a human being
can read and understand a tweet, then
an AI system can be implemented to do
the same. If a human can follow rules
to recognize hate speech, then so can
an AI system.

So I would expect Twitter a year from
now to be a very different system, a
'public square' for millions of people,
with hate speech all but eliminated.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:05 pm
by Cool Breeze
John wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:51 pm Wednesday November 16, 2022

Can Elon Musk save Twitter?

The survival of Twitter depends on
being able to solve the hate speech
problem . Twitter has been using
thousands of content moderators to read
every tweet , recognize hate speech,
and remove those that are offensive.

This is exactly the kind of situation
where computer software systems solve a
problem. In the 1970s, large rooms
containing typing pools with dozens of
typists were replaced by word
processing software. In the 1980s,
large rooms containing dozens ohf
accountants were replaced by accounting
software.


So now we have large rooms containng
dozens or hundreds of human content
moderators. It should be possible to
replace those with content moderation
software systems.

Elon Musk is the perfect person t to
develop a content moderation software
system. He and his engineering staff
are already experts in developing and
deploying practical artificial
intelligence systems. If a human being
can read and understand a tweet, then
an AI system can be implemented to do
the same. If a human can follow rules
to recognize hate speech, then so can
an AI system.

So I would expect Twitter a year from
now to be a very different system, a
'public square' for millions of people,
with hate speech all but eliminated.
Who, or what, will determine what "hate speech" is?

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:08 am
by thomasglee
Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:05 pm
John wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:51 pm Wednesday November 16, 2022

Can Elon Musk save Twitter?

The survival of Twitter depends on
being able to solve the hate speech
problem . Twitter has been using
thousands of content moderators to read
every tweet , recognize hate speech,
and remove those that are offensive.

This is exactly the kind of situation
where computer software systems solve a
problem. In the 1970s, large rooms
containing typing pools with dozens of
typists were replaced by word
processing software. In the 1980s,
large rooms containing dozens ohf
accountants were replaced by accounting
software.


So now we have large rooms containng
dozens or hundreds of human content
moderators. It should be possible to
replace those with content moderation
software systems.

Elon Musk is the perfect person t to
develop a content moderation software
system. He and his engineering staff
are already experts in developing and
deploying practical artificial
intelligence systems. If a human being
can read and understand a tweet, then
an AI system can be implemented to do
the same. If a human can follow rules
to recognize hate speech, then so can
an AI system.

So I would expect Twitter a year from
now to be a very different system, a
'public square' for millions of people,
with hate speech all but eliminated.
Who, or what, will determine what "hate speech" is?
Hate speech will be whatever the programmer of the AI decides is hate speech. Which means it will still be up to some form of interpretation. I can't believe anyone, much less John, would think this is a good idea. As a programmer, when should know that garbage in = garbage out.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:38 am
by JCP
Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:05 pm
John wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:51 pm Wednesday November 16, 2022

Can Elon Musk save Twitter?

The survival of Twitter depends on
being able to solve the hate speech
problem . Twitter has been using
thousands of content moderators to read
every tweet , recognize hate speech,
and remove those that are offensive.

This is exactly the kind of situation
where computer software systems solve a
problem. In the 1970s, large rooms
containing typing pools with dozens of
typists were replaced by word
processing software. In the 1980s,
large rooms containing dozens ohf
accountants were replaced by accounting
software.


So now we have large rooms containng
dozens or hundreds of human content
moderators. It should be possible to
replace those with content moderation
software systems.

Elon Musk is the perfect person t to
develop a content moderation software
system. He and his engineering staff
are already experts in developing and
deploying practical artificial
intelligence systems. If a human being
can read and understand a tweet, then
an AI system can be implemented to do
the same. If a human can follow rules
to recognize hate speech, then so can
an AI system.

So I would expect Twitter a year from
now to be a very different system, a
'public square' for millions of people,
with hate speech all but eliminated.
Who, or what, will determine what "hate speech" is?
Whatever Big Brother says it is...

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:14 am
by Tom Mazanec
Elon Musk is the perfect person t to
develop a content moderation software
system. He and his engineering staff
are already experts in developing and
deploying practical artificial
intelligence systems. If a human being
can read and understand a tweet, then
an AI system can be implemented to do
the same. If a human can follow rules
to recognize hate speech, then so can
an AI system.

So I would expect Twitter a year from
now to be a very different system, a
'public square' for millions of people,
with hate speech all but eliminated.
Even if 'hate speech' can be defined better than "I know it when I see it" we won't have this until just before the Singularity, because such a program would have to be at least as smart as a human, and in computer evolution time that is when self-programming for even higher intelligence starts.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:11 pm
by John
Thursday, November 17, 2022
thomasglee wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:08 am
Hate speech will be whatever the
programmer of the AI decides is hate
speech. Which means it will still be up
to some form of interpretation. I can't
believe anyone, much less John, would
think this is a good idea. As a
programmer, when should know that
garbage in = garbage out.
That's not how it works. The code will
not make any decisions about hate
speech. If properly implemented, the
code will perform AI functions such as
natural language recognition and
processing, and will translate the
English into some kind of canonical
structure that can be processed by other
components. This actually is how
language translation program works. One
component translates the input language
into this canonical structure, and then
another component translates the
structure into the foreign
language. That way, the code doesn't
have to know how to translate one
language into another.

Separate from the code will be a rules
file, or a set of rules files. These
files will contain millions of rules
that can be read and understood by non
programmers . For example, one rule
might be something like : the N word is
hate speech. It's important to emphasize
that this decision Is not made by the
programmer. It's made by the person or
persons or committee that creates the
rules file. Furthermore, as the meaning
of hate speech changes over time, the
code remains unchanged.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:05 pm
by Tom Mazanec
For example, one rule
might be something like : the N word is
hate speech.
So if an African-American tries to post "That policeman called me a 'nigger'." that would be flagged as hate speech?