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Xeraphim1 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm You didn't actually refute what I said. The stuff you quoted is interesting, but doesn't address my point.

Fosun Pharmaceuticals is a Chinese company. Fosun manufactured the injection with BioNTech.

A Chinese company developed the injection yet the injection was never used in China.

China stole the designs for the F35 Stealth Fighter, yet they were unable to manufacture their own mRNA injection even when a Chinese company was working on it from the beginning?

It doesn't make sense.

tim wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:48 am

Xeraphim1 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm You didn't actually refute what I said. The stuff you quoted is interesting, but doesn't address my point.

Fosun Pharmaceuticals is a Chinese company. Fosun manufactured the injection with BioNTech.

A Chinese company developed the injection yet the injection was never used in China.

China stole the designs for the F35 Stealth Fighter, yet they were unable to manufacture their own mRNA injection even when a Chinese company was working on it from the beginning?

It doesn't make sense.

It is possible that they couldn't do it, in theory. Currently they are considered to be greatly hampered by the Chips Act because they cannot manufacture high end chips. Strangely they've been completely dependent on importing the knowledge and wherewithal for their ambitions to get ahead and Biden pulled the rug out from under them. That doesn't mean that they tried to import the mRNA vaccines and couldn't do so. If they were refused the sale of the vaccines for some reason, that would be a different story. It appears that they simply chose not to use them, which does bolster your premise. The Chinese don't trust government like the Russians don't trust their own, because they've been royally screwed so many times. That could be a part of the story.

What don't you all understand? For the 20th time, the bioweapon is the "vaccine". I've already described this, ad nauseum.

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:17 pm What don't you all understand? For the 20th time, the bioweapon is the "vaccine". I've already described this, ad nauseum.

How about crediting your sources and showing some evidence. Of course it's a possibility, but it's one of many possibilities. And shouting loudly doesn't prove a point. Because at this point, nothing is certain and those who are certain in uncertain times are usually flying by their pants. We all know this from experience and that's why being skeptical without sufficient empirical evidence is helpful. I think the "vaccine" is somewhat physically damaging but useful for vulnerable groups but very damaging for societal cohesion and trustworthiness of public authority. For this alone, enemies of the Republic have garnered a big win. Weakening us physically and emotionally has been a success. Genocide is a bit of a stretch but obviously not out of question, given their track record and motives. Evidence...

FullMoon wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 pm

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:17 pm What don't you all understand? For the 20th time, the bioweapon is the "vaccine". I've already described this, ad nauseum.

How about crediting your sources and showing some evidence. Of course it's a possibility, but it's one of many possibilities. And shouting loudly doesn't prove a point. Because at this point, nothing is certain and those who are certain in uncertain times are usually flying by their pants. We all know this from experience and that's why being skeptical without sufficient empirical evidence is helpful. I think the "vaccine" is somewhat physically damaging but useful for vulnerable groups

How is it useful in vulnerable groups? Where is the data documenting this? All the “data” I’ve seen has been limited to a relative risk reduction for “severe” (as defined by the investigators) disease over a set period of time with the messy data skewed to serve an agenda of the drug manufacturer (as opposed to studies conducted by a third party).

If the studies were conducted with integrity, we’d have at least 3 years of data BEFORE we were told it was “safe and effective” not 7 days (Pfizer’s initial EUA was based on only a week’s worth of data, and Moderna’s was 8-9 weeks). At 8 weeks Pfizer vaccinated the control group destroying any hope for hard data.

But we did have 20 years of previous mRNA trials… Unfortunately, these only documented that the single stranded RNA viruses of HIV and HCV replicated and mutated so rapidly that the mRNA treatments failed. And we also discovered the mRNA treatments caused autoimmune diseases.

but very damaging for societal cohesion and trustworthiness of public authority. For this alone, enemies of the Republic have garnered a big win. Weakening us physically and emotionally has been a success.

100% agree w this. The divisiveness and hostility over Covid, vaccines, race-baiting, CRT, election integrity, and so many more issues are shredding the fabric of of civil society.

Genocide is a bit of a stretch but obviously not out of question, given their track record and motives. Evidence...

I’m not sure what evidence you’re looking for or even what you want to prove or disprove. If you want the research articles, you can go to pubmed and look them up. I’ve quoted several on other posts on this site. I don’t agree w Cool that the vaccine is *the* bio weapon. I think it’s both the virus and the vaccine—coupled w our diet—but I’m not sure anyone is talking about that yet.

Don't miss the big picture. And this is the last time I'll post it (Wags has the physiology right and the history of failed, majorly damaging attempts of mRNA therapies):

For anyone not super old or reasonably healthy (they already have major risks of health issues), sarscov2 is an absolute nothing burger. Just like influenza, also something that is seasonal and for which vaccines don't work, or are needed. Does influenza "kill" people? Sure, but no one actually took that seriously in the larger picture, because it knocks off people that are already in fairly dire conditions or are (really) old. As such, the elite would not create a bug that really was all that dangerous, or they'd be in harms way. But if you take the jab, you are consenting not only to a bad treatment, you are playing their game of mass depopulation, or at least increasing the probability greatly, while they also make money. At best, the lab created virus could be labeled as an elicitor of the need for a (disguised) bioweapon, which is exactly what happened. And those who took it, against all reason (not tested, disease not dangerous big picture, doesn't work, etc), and don't even have the humility to admit it now that everything the .gov and drug companies claimed was consistently a lie, and changing ... sadly deserve what's coming to them. It's sad at this point.

It was the FORCED coercion at the beginning of the debacle which made me doubt the claims. Coupled with excessive and irrational FEAR. Then the lies began to pile up and science was weaponized to push an ideology. The ideology remains together with those who lied to further an agenda which has caused misery and death to those who trusted them.

Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.

Bob Butler wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.

Aren't most of the people dying from covid now vaccinated?

Guest wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:57 pm

Bob Butler wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:49 pm Trump chose economics over life with regard to Covid. People are still trying to justify it. I could I suppose cheer on the reduction of Republican votes by the continued Republican lack of vaccination, but I don’t really take partisanship that far.

Aren't most of the people dying from covid now vaccinated?

At least in the US yes, because most people here are vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do ... right-now/