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Guest 23 wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:23 pm

Guest wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:13 pm Someone needs to remind the Wagner chief, that when you come for the dictator, you better not miss.

Death is inevitable for everyone, so that's not much of a prediction. What is the average lifespan of a Russian man anyways? (56?) Seeing how they're all alcoholics. Dude is like 62 or something, his liver has to be well pickled by this point. I think Prigozhin somehow comes out of this looking better than Putin, but they all look terrible. Inevitable death applies to all of us, but I take issue with the idea that Prigozhin lost. He gets to clean his hands of this mess, unlike Putin.

Guest wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:42 am

Guest 23 wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:23 pm

Guest wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:13 pm Someone needs to remind the Wagner chief, that when you come for the dictator, you better not miss.

Death is inevitable for everyone, so that's not much of a prediction. What is the average lifespan of a Russian man anyways? (56?) Seeing how they're all alcoholics. Dude is like 62 or something, his liver has to be well pickled by this point. I think Prigozhin somehow comes out of this looking better than Putin, but they all look terrible. Inevitable death applies to all of us, but I take issue with the idea that Prigozhin lost. He gets to clean his hands of this mess, unlike Putin.

Prigozhin's dead. every single second gives Putin the time he needs to coordinate a response. Prigozhin had the upper-hand but couldn't follow through. what can you expect from a corrupt butcher without any military training?

DaKardii wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:07 pm

Navigator wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:56 pm Personal stuff -
My wife is doing much better physically, but has had some real ups and downs emotionally. Which is to be expected, given the situation.

I am doing all I can to be supportive and handle everything I possibly can.

We took a trip to Norway which she had enjoyed planning, and which gave her something to look forward to. She had an accident that required a trip to the ER and made it look like I had beaten her up pretty bad (there was a loose section of sidewalk she was tripped on, and it looked like she had a possible concussion and broken leg - luckily she had neither).

Then on the way home, she caught Covid. She was over it in 3 days, and it wasn't too bad. Due to her condition, and the requirements of her orchestra, she has had the vaccine and 5 boosters.

Then she gave it to me. I have had the vaccine and 1 booster in 2021, and then had it later that year. It took me about 2-3 weeks to feel ok, and I am still dealing with a cough that is slowly going away.

All of the above caused me to either not be available to post, or to not really feel like it.

As with many here, I am just waiting for the impending disasters - economic, military, cultural, political. Everything we have been talking about for years is has now been in place for a while. All we need is the lit match.

I wish you and your wife the best, Navi!

Guest 23 wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:26 pm

Jack Edwards wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:26 pm
We could find ourselves suddenly dealing with:
-At war with China
-A major financial collapse
-Some kind of major infrastructure hack
-The press turning on Biden and an impeachment
-A major political assasination
-A major natural disaster

Or most likely something I haven't mentioned and isn't on anyones radar.

What a world!

Regards
Jack

Or all of the above at once.

Cool Breeze wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:11 pm

Guest wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:42 am

Guest 23 wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:23 pm

Death is inevitable for everyone, so that's not much of a prediction. What is the average lifespan of a Russian man anyways? (56?) Seeing how they're all alcoholics. Dude is like 62 or something, his liver has to be well pickled by this point. I think Prigozhin somehow comes out of this looking better than Putin, but they all look terrible. Inevitable death applies to all of us, but I take issue with the idea that Prigozhin lost. He gets to clean his hands of this mess, unlike Putin.

Prigozhin's dead. every single second gives Putin the time he needs to coordinate a response. Prigozhin had the upper-hand but couldn't follow through. what can you expect from a corrupt butcher without any military training?

He never had anything of the sort. Another MI6/CIA guy led to the slaughter. Add him to the casts of billions.

Something tells me he was smart enough to make the 3 letters believe he cared for their murderous cause, and played both sides, with a consideration for retirement in Belarus. Good work if so.

Ekaterina Shulman, a Russian political scientist, said that although regional governors and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church all backed Putin, these were empty messages of support from people who owed their careers to the Russian leader.

Far more important was the lack of genuine support from ordinary people and also from the Russian security services.

“The law enforcement agencies looked the other way. Not a single person came out to defend the government. Not a civil servant or a citizen or voter or taxpayer,” she told the BBC. “It didn’t matter that Wagner Group didn’t reach Moscow. It is important that it was able to show the world the incredible fragility (of Russia).”

Putin disappears as allies ask how rebels got so close to Moscow
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Guest wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:39 am

Cool Breeze wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:11 pm

Guest wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:42 am

Prigozhin's dead. every single second gives Putin the time he needs to coordinate a response. Prigozhin had the upper-hand but couldn't follow through. what can you expect from a corrupt butcher without any military training?

He never had anything of the sort. Another MI6/CIA guy led to the slaughter. Add him to the casts of billions.

Something tells me he was smart enough to make the 3 letters believe he cared for their murderous cause, and played both sides, with a consideration for retirement in Belarus. Good work if so.

British Intelligence sources are saying that Putin threatened Prigozhin's wife and daughter (with fates far worse than death) if he did not withdraw his soldiers.

Now Prigozhin's soldiers feel betrayed and hate him. They have all been left high and dry. Wagner PMC is over.

No way Prigozhin cut a deal with the CIA or MI6. He may be a gangster and a cutthroat, but he is also a nationalist. Prigozhin's oligarch allies backed him. Prigozhin backed off when he wife and daughter were (apparently) placed under arrest. He should have taken them out of the country before hand...Now the oligarchs who backed him are in serious trouble and Prigozhin has been left without any allies.

Prigozhin is in a corner now. He knows he will be killed soon. According to social media, his family is still under defacto arrest--hostages of the czar.

Russians are like Mexicans or Salvadorans, they can sense weakness and only admire strength. Russians, like Latinos, can smell blood in the water. You have to look at Russia as a bigger Mexico. I expect a lot of bloodshed in the coming weeks.

If Prigozhin had continued on to Moscow, most Russian military bloggers believe he would have toppled Putin. Now everyone is calling Prigozhin and coward and a traitor. He is finished too.

Putin disappears as allies ask how rebels got so close to Moscow
Russian leader hides from public view while formerly loyal media outlets admit coup attempt has broken his grip on power