Re: Financial topics
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:24 am
Nor did we here.
Generational theory, international history and current events
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I see, that makes more sense. But that being the case, what exactly will happen in April?aedens wrote: notes: In carefully studying the ancient Hebrew prophet Joel, one is led to ask these questions, for he mentions “the Grecians.” Interestingly, however, of all the Hebrew prophets, major or minor, Joel is one of only six which is unidentified by any specific time table or historical reference. This is ironic, since the whole testimony is about eschatology, or, ‘end time.’ But, there are several ‘end times’ in biblical literature: the end of the world by Flood (Genesis 6:5,6); the end of the northern kingdom of Israel (722 BC, when Sargon II destroyed Samaria, II Kings 17:5,6); the Fall of Jerusalem to Babylon’s Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC, (Isaiah 39:6, Jeremiah 27:5-8); the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD (Daniel 9:26,27); then of course there are the New Testament depictions of the final cataclysm of the planet, and its entire recreation, as in 2 Peter 3:10 and Revelation 21:1,5. Which ending is Joel talking about? Without identifying his own contemporary circumstances, all we have is a chronology of events. (Even in Jesus’ double exposure depictions of two endings in Mark 13, there is included reference to specific, dated prophecy of Daniel 9:26,27, as in Mark 13:14.) There is one peculiar verse in Joel 3:6, mentioning “the Grecians,” which may have some suggested bearing on the actual real time application of the otherwise ‘plastic’ prophecy. Reprimanding the heathen nations, the Lord declares The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. In context, the ancient world trade centers of Tyre and Sidon are mentioned (v. 4) and even the Sabeans (v.8). This all sounds like some kind of ancient slave trade, and Jews at this point were made part of it, as the commodity itself. The problem is, there is simply no specificity as to when this happened, historically. We don’t know which ‘ending’ this prophecy is to be associated with. We don’t even know for sure when Joel’s text itself was written. It could be before the Fall of Samaria (722 BC), or before the Fall of Jerusalem (586 BC). To pursue the time, specifically, there may be hope in looking into the matter of “the Grecians.” In Hebrew, the word translated “Grecian” is from the word יון (Yâ-vân, meaning effervescing, hot and active), referencing Javan, son of Joktan. (Joktan was the fourth generation of Shem, Genesis 21-25.¹) Javan is understood to be the father of the Ionians. The Ionians were one of the four major Greek tribes.
If you know what he's talking about, then how about explaining it to me?Nathan G wrote: > I see, that makes more sense. But that being the case, what exactly will happen in April?
(Aedens can correct me if I get this wrong)John wrote:=
If you know what he's talking about, then how about explaining it to me?
This concept of "tiered fulfillment" is very interested, somethingNathan G wrote: > (Aedens can correct me if I get this wrong)
> You see, John, Biblical prophesies don't work intuitively. If the
> Bible mentions a prophesy, that doesn't mean it refers to a
> single, specific fulfillment in the future. Rather, it could refer
> to multiple fulfillments spanning centuries, each of which
> revolves around central theological themes. Theologians refer to
> it as "tiered fulfillment". For example, the Emmanuel prophesy in
> Isaiah 9 clearly refers to the birth of a great leader within
> Isaiah's lifetime, who saves Judah from the oncoming
> Assyrians. However, Isaiah 9 is quoted in Matthew 1 as referring
> to the birth of Jesus. Hence, both are correct simultaneously. In
> a similar way, the apocalyptic prophesies of the Old Testament
> don't only refer to the End of Time, but are also tiered
> fulfillment. They refer first to the destruction of Samaria (722
> BC), then the destruction of Judah (586 BC), then the destruction
> of Jerusalem (72 AD), and then the End of the World. However, it
> may be possible that these prophesies, including the Book of
> Revelations, have more tiered fulfillment after the end of the New
> Testament. The fall of Babylon in Revelations 18 is often
> associated with the fall of Rome, for instance. Thus, it is
> possible that the oncoming Crisis Era in 2020 is another
> fulfillment of some Biblical apocalypse, but not literally the End
> of the World. The actual End of the World is hidden from us (Luke
> 21)
> The only thing that bothers me is what is supposed to happen on
> April 13, 2016 (a date cited in many of Aeden's links). Seems to
> come out of nowhere.
So Cassandra was assaulted and raped, while Jeremiah was beaten and> When King Josiah died, Jeremiah’s hardships as a prophet of God
> increased. His message aroused great hostility and death threats,
> especially in his native city, Anathoth (Jeremiah 11:21). Even his
> own relatives conspired against him and betrayed him (Jeremiah
> 12:6).
> His persecution increased in Jerusalem when a priest named Pashhur
> sought out Jeremiah to have him beaten and put in the stocks at
> the Upper Gate of Benjamin for a day (Jeremiah 20:1-2). After
> this, Jeremiah lamented the hardship that had come to him for
> speaking God’s words. It was difficult to have become a
> laughingstock to the people and a target of mockery (verse 7).
> Later, spiteful men obtained the king’s approval to arrest
> Jeremiah for prophesying disaster. These men then lowered Jeremiah
> by ropes into a cistern, and he sank into a layer of mud (Jeremiah
> 38:1-6). When another court official learned about Jeremiah’s
> fate, he persuaded the king to let him rescue Jeremiah before he
> starved to death at the bottom of the cistern (verses 7-13).
> http://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/pr ... e-prophet/