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guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:42 pmIn your opinion, what percentage of republicans are not religious fanatics, bigots and rich? What percentage of republicans are good people?

Bob Butler wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:55 pm

guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:42 pmIn your opinion, what percentage of republicans are not religious fanatics, bigots and rich? What percentage of republicans are good people?

All? Relatively few. Can a rich person be a good person? Some. A religious fanatic that doesn't try to impose his religious beliefs on others? Sure. A bigot? That's harder to disqualifying.

But it seems the Republican Party as a whole pushes for these issues. A lot care about imposing on others, in making other group's lives difficult, in crushing any culture but their own, in hating, oppressing and killing the different. By that standard most Republicans are not good people.

Love thy neighbor? Allow them to be different and equal? Do not consider one's own culture, race or religion superior to others and to be imposed? Would you care to define "good people"?

guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:03 pmWithout thinking too much, a general definition of good people would be people who mean well and should be welcome to participate in society. By that definition, what approximate percentage would you put on that? And I'm talking about citizens in the United States, not republican politicians.

Bob Butler wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:03 pm

guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:03 pmWithout thinking too much, a general definition of good people would be people who mean well and should be welcome to participate in society. By that definition, what approximate percentage would you put on that? And I'm talking about citizens in the United States, not republican politicians.

People who “mean well and would be welcome to participate in society” assumes one society. There are many races, religions, nations and sexual orientations. Some shun each other, attempt to crush each other.

You can have a rich guy who takes advantage of the loopholes and pays no taxes, putting the burden of government on other groups. There might be someone really into medieval superstitions trying to force everyone to follow them. There might be someone whose ancestor owned other people and still has some of that attitude. This speaks of imposing on other cultures. Is someone who tries these things being nice?

All might “mean well and welcome to participate in society” within their own subculture. Any of these people might cheer on your football team, attend church or go to a dance. They might be good company in any of these places. Strictly speaking, are they oppressing others? Are they seeking to place some burden on others while avoiding it themselves? Are they exercising the instinct to hate, oppress and kill the different?

Generally, most people are good neighbors so long as they are hanging with their own culture. A lot of people fall short of not oppressing other groups in various ways. A sainthood medal is hard to win.

Bob Butler wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:32 pm Three of the big moves of the Republicans recently were tax cuts for the rich, moves against minorities, and loading the Supreme Court with anti abortion people.

Guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:31 pmRoughly, what percentage of republicans would you consider good people? With society as it currently is, and without the qualifiers you mentioned such as living among their own culture.

Bob Butler wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:29 pm

Guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:31 pmRoughly, what percentage of republicans would you consider good people? With society as it currently is, and without the qualifiers you mentioned such as living among their own culture.

What you are asking for is an analysis of something that doesn’t exist. There are multiple races, religions, and sexual orientations. Some try to oppress one another. Most tend to stay within their like group. The problem is some groups being oppressed. Within their own groups, lots of fine people. With vague definitions I hesitate to give precise numbers, but when among like people Republicans will perceive of themselves as fine. It is not how they are perceived by the groups Republicans oppress.

The distinction is that Democrats favor equality and liberty, no group oppressing the others. The Republicans will seek advantages over other groups, tax codes favoring the rich, courts favoring abortion in spite of the will of the people, minority groups history being censored or oppressed, etc…

Again, I have no trouble with exotic cultures setting acceptable behaviors for themselves. It is when they try to impose these behaviors on other cultures that they lose their sainthood badges, and that is what they do. It is about white superiority, that a certain culture is supreme and should be able to suppress and oppress others. Multiple issues, same oppression.

Do you actually believe the things you post about republicans or is it an act? Asking because it’s such an over the top, straw man caricature assembled from the most extreme left wing sources. It bears no resemblance to reality.

guest wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:08 pm

Bob Butler wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:42 am

Guest wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:23 pm Why were so many comments deleted?

A bunch were moved to Cool Breeze's thread. At a guess, too much personal attack and liberal perspective.

I can see that. Your characterization of all republicans as bigots is bordering on genocidal rhetoric.