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Re: 25-Dec-17 World View -- Remembering the 1914 World War I Christmas Truce / The 'anti-war movement' in World War I
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:52 pm
by jmm1184
World War II was an Awakening era war for Russia. Ten years ago,
David Kaiser opined that WW II was an Awakening war for Russia, but it
so thoroughly destroyed the Prophet generation that it postponed the
next crisis war, which hasn't yet occurred. This is similar to the
reasoning behind a "First Turning Reset," that occurs when a crisis
occurs during a non-crisis era. This could be an unexpected massive
invasion, or it could be a forced relocation of an entire population.
In either case, the population acts according to its era, but returns
to a First Turning Recovery Era following the crisis.
That makes sense. It also explains why both western and eastern europe experienced awakening climaxes at the same time even though their crisis wars occurred at different times.
Speaking of awakening climaxes, do you have an idea of what happened in France or the UK as an awakening climax? I doubt they would have shared watergate as an awakening climax, but it doesn't make sense for the fall of the berlin wall to be it either.
Re: 25-Dec-17 World View -- Remembering the 1914 World War I Christmas Truce / The 'anti-war movement' in World War I
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:43 pm
by John
jmm1184 wrote:
> Speaking of awakening climaxes, do you have an idea of what
> happened in France or the UK as an awakening climax? I doubt they
> would have shared watergate as an awakening climax, but it doesn't
> make sense for the fall of the berlin wall to be it
> either.
I can only guess because I haven't researched it. Awakening climaxes
can occur late, so the fall of the Berlin wall is likely for
East Germany. For France, I would guess something to do with
de Gaulle. For the UK, maybe something to do with Thatcher,
although one would have to look at the four nations separately.
Re: 25-Dec-17 World View -- Remembering the 1914 World War I Christmas Truce / The 'anti-war movement' in World War I
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:07 pm
by jmm1184
I can only guess because I haven't researched it. Awakening climaxes
can occur late, so the fall of the Berlin wall is likely for
East Germany. For France, I would guess something to do with
de Gaulle. For the UK, maybe something to do with Thatcher,
although one would have to look at the four nations separately.
After doing a bit of reading, I've come to two candidates for United Kingdom: the resignation of Margaret Thatcher in 1990 after the poll tax riots, or the electoral landslide of New Labour under Blair in 1997, though I think that may be too late.
As for France, the May 1968 riots and the resignation of De Gaulle in 1969 read very well as a generational awakening climax, but they seem to be too early as the oldest post-war French person would only be 27 or 28 at oldest at De Gaulle's resignation.