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Aloha you guys, and you whatever-you-are "Guestian" cowards. <shaka nui!>

What does it matter whether people post as 'Guest' or 'FishbellykanakaDude'? You hide your true identity too. Why are we cowards and you are supposedly so brave? Maybe some of us live in countries that are not free? Are we to risk imprisonment to post here?

John wrote:** 11-Dec-2019 World View: The World is Channgin

FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > What have we learned these last several days, chill'in's...? (as
> regards China and the oncoming war)

> Nuthin'.

> What has actually changed?

> Is the "rate of change" of the "world situation" increasing
> (accelerating) FASTER than is to be "expected"?

> Is the "critical phase-change" point (the "goal" of the
> accelerating "travel" of our "situation") more or less "close"?

> My opinion (which I'm sure nobody cares about): The acceleration
> is as expected, and the critical phase-change is at the expected
> distance,.. which translates to "Situation Normal, No need to
> panic, Waiting to see what happens "near" 2023".

> Let's see who gets proved correct in this.

> Aloha you guys, and you whatever-you-are "Guestian"
> cowards. <shaka nui!>

> (( Just GOTTA chuck that grenade in there for
> "flavor"... <chuckle, chuckle, chuckle!> ))

That's a very, very interesting question that you raise. How fast
is the world changing?

Of course, it depends on what you're measuring. I have the feeling
that you have a particular measure in mind that isn't changing
very rapidly.

Then you get into another question: What do you mean by changing? Do
you mean increasing? Do you mean decreasing? What about something
that oscillates up and down -- it's always changing but never goes
anywhere. Does that count?

It's worth noting that the cable news programs claim that the world is
changing incredibly quickly. Today they're pointing to the rapidly
moving impeachment circus farce. But there are also riots and
demonstrations going on in lots of countries -- much more than usual.

Here a couple of things that I refer to all the time:

• Public debt. This has been increasing exponentially for years.
  As the saying goes, if something can't go on forever, then it won't.
• Nationalism and xenophobia. This isn't easily measurable like
  public debt, but nationalism and xenophobia were at their lowest
  in the 1990s, then began rising with the rise of Generation-X in the
  2000s, and today is very high in many countries.

So is that what you mean, or do you mean something else?

Ooooo,.. excellent questions!! (..I've refilled the large glass of Merlot, and am therefor fueled up quite nicely!)

I (personally) have always had a "problem" with time. I noticed that I lived on two "types" of time, two "continuums" of time: "Me Being Interested" time, and "Me Bored" time.

The first moves fast but it feels GOOD (aka "I'm a freakin' genius!"). The second moves like cold caramel and it is sheer TORTURE (aka "I'm an overwhelmed scared rabbit and the wolf is RIGHT THERE..!!!!").

Only in the last half-dozen years of so have I (FINALLY!) said "FUCK YOU!" to those who have always tried to use/manipulate people (aka: me) by preying on the weaknessess of my "rabbitness" while undercompensating me for my "geniusness".

..and I'm OLD(ish),..! and a habitual late bloomer, so, yeah, I'm a bit aggravated at my stupidity.

So, what is my perception of the world changing? And what do I base that on?

The present world is changing at a slower rate than it has in the past, BECAUSE (to me) the seeming "acceleration (of change)" is an illusion created by human minds to justify their "aging".

I was too busy dealing with my continual "wolf threat" and searching for my all-too-short episodes of "genius" to bother with the "luxury" of creating that illusion of "worldwide acceleration of change" that everyone else was so "self indulgently" obsessed with.

Therefore, the world hasn't changed all that much to me since I was a little kid. And the continual "chicken little-ing" of those silly folks on the street and on the TV has been alternatively amusing and annoying, and/or both.

When I discovered the concept of "asymptotic curves" it explained the meaning of God (we'll get to that leap of logic eventually!) as well as the meaning of "impossible", and "holy shit chaos".

"Nature doesn't do abject ridiculousness, and asymptotic trends MUST produce ridiculousness, therefore seeming asymptotic trends (such as any trend created by humans or animals or life-in-general or 'chemistry' or 'physics') will be dealt with by nature via chaos." <--Quote from the 3rd Lemur from the left.

"Holy Shit Chaos" should be the expected result of the aforesaid "ridiculousness", but because people are obsessed by their freakishly created illusion of "normalcy" they fail to expect the inevitable "holy shit chaos", and resent it's necessary intrusion into their lives.

You got two choices: Resentment or Happiness.

Resentment makes the universe interesting/sufferable, but mucks up happiness.
Happiness make the universe understandable, but increases suffering.

Suffering and Happiness are not opposites.

Anyway,. back to to the question as to how fast the world is actually changing...

..it's moving along as it always has,.. the proximity of the next holy shit chaos episode is best assessed by the stink of stale perspiration from those who will be forced, and volunteer, to fight the putative purveyors of said "chaos" (aka: the supposed existential threat).

..therefore, sniff not far late adolescent pits for FRESH stench, but rather sniff them for STALE stench!

THAT... is the stench of imminent proximal holy shit worldwide war.
(( That said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGeN5lrxws 5G and AI Everywhere: 2030 Will Be a New World | Jeff Brown | Ep 60 | The Glenn Beck Podcast ))


..right,... another pour of the bottle is in order...

I'll get to that "God" thing shortly...

Guest wrote:

Aloha you guys, and you whatever-you-are "Guestian" cowards. <shaka nui!>

What does it matter whether people post as 'Guest' or 'FishbellykanakaDude'? You hide your true identity too. Why are we cowards and you are supposedly so brave? Maybe some of us live in countries that are not free? Are we to risk imprisonment to post here?

You don't need to register. You can simply use the same "one use" name per post to distinguish your comments.

Any "entity" that really wants to identify you, will do so via "other means" than hacking John's registered user database.

But, that said, I do understand and sympathize with your situation.

I accept your use of "Guest" as a safety measure.

In reciprocation, you'll have to accept my good natured jabbing you in the posterior as the price for my acceptance of your "quirk".

<chuckle!>



Lighten up, dude! All you guys (non-gendered version of "guys" of course) are no end of fun to walaʻau (or kamaʻilio if you wish) with!

Best to you! Aloha nui ʻoe! <shaka!>

Lighten up, dude! All you guys (non-binary "guys" of course) are no end of fun to walaʻau (or kamaʻilio if you wish) with!

At least I think that is what you mean. There are, after all, over 100 genders and counting...

I understand the guest's situation.

--An exile

JCP wrote:

Lighten up, dude! All you guys (non-binary "guys" of course) are no end of fun to walaʻau (or kamaʻilio if you wish) with!

At least I think that is what you mean. There are, after all, over 100 genders and counting...

I understand the guest's situation.

--An exile

You are more precise than I am. Thank you for the translation!

..and I understand the guest's situation as well. As one of the "oppressed" he must realize, and be OK with, the fact that people calling him a "coward" for being "slightly safer" is the least of his problems.

Perhaps it's just a "western/european" thing (though that's highly unlikely), but we keep our tribe members on their toes by flickin' 'em shit til they reciprocate in camaraderie,.. then we start the next round of shit flickin', in perpetuity.

We remind each other to stay strong as brothers in common mission do. Faugh a Ballagh..!

"ch-, ch- ch-, changes"...wass't that the refrain of a song from the 70's?...well, there's the 1st derivative (rate of change), and then the 2nd derivative (rate of change of the 1st derivative, acceleration). The problem is, that may not apply to real-world, complex systems, where so many interactions are affecting the components. This is what worries me - the constant perturbations of a complex system (say, the environment) can cause a radical "re-set," (ie, an exponential change, a "Black Swan") in which a new equilibrium is reached. This can happen with the ecosystem, or the financial system, or the political system.

But, entropy will win in the end.

** 12-Dec-2019 World View: Risking imprisonment

FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > Aloha you guys, and you whatever-you-are "Guestian"
> cowards. <shaka nui!>

Guest wrote: > What does it matter whether people post as 'Guest' or
> 'FishbellykanakaDude'? You hide your true identity too. Why are
> we cowards and you are supposedly so brave? Maybe some of us live
> in countries that are not free? Are we to risk imprisonment to
> post here?

There apparently are quite a few people who visit and post in this
forum, especially this thread, who are from "not free" countries.

If there's anything I can do to help, let me know.

One disadvantage of posting as "Guest" is that there's no way to
post a series of messages and identify them as connected. One thing
you might consider doing is to continue to post anonymously, but
give yourself a name other than "Guest."

shoshin wrote:"ch-, ch- ch-, changes"...wass't that the refrain of a song from the 70's?...well, there's the 1st derivative (rate of change), and then the 2nd derivative (rate of change of the 1st derivative, acceleration). The problem is, that may not apply to real-world, complex systems, where so many interactions are affecting the components. This is what worries me - the constant perturbations of a complex system (say, the environment) can cause a radical "re-set," (ie, an exponential change, a "Black Swan") in which a new equilibrium is reached. This can happen with the ecosystem, or the financial system, or the political system.

But, entropy will win in the end.

Good ol' Bowie...

You quickly (exponentially quickly!) end up worrying about EVERYTHING if chaos, as a category, makes you worry, of course.

Chaos is not to worry about, but rather to try to use,.. which requires that you see it coming, which requires that you stay "non-worrisome" enough to see things clearly, which requires that you INSIST that you are "presently happy" (I'm really hammering the "happy happy happy! meme these days), which requires that you "allow" your suffering to "flow through you and out to where it belongs".

That can be a difficult set of requirements.

Chaos always has a "shape", and that shape always includes a "surfable wave" portion, although actually surfing it may call for a "vehicle" (board) that you don't have access to (at the time), but it's always better to try to surf the wave, or duck-dive the wave, or try to punch through the wave, than to flail about signalling the jet-ski rescue team that may not be there.

Mass populations cannot avoid panics. Individuals can avoid panicking.

It's better to act like an individual, rather than to act like one of "the mob", when the surf is up and pumping, because then you can see the wave coming, you can remain calm, you can be happy, you can tolerate your pains/anxieties/suffering, and you can "enjoy" having something "interesting" to do.

..of course you may "enjoy" panicking and allowing the chaos behind the wave to have it's way with you, as that's yet another way to play the game!

But one of the reasons that people have always passed themselves into the future by records of art (writing, etc) is to help those who follow in dealing with the inevitable rearranging of things before and after the waves from future chaos.

"But why bother!?"

..what else have you got to do?

** 12-Dec-2019 World View: Boris Johnson / Tories win overwhelming victory - Brexit now certain

The polls closed in Britain a few minutes ago, and exit polls indicate
an overwhelming victory of Boris Johnson's Conservative (Tory) party.
He will have 368 MPs, which is 86 above the minimum required for a
majority.

Assuming that the exit polls hold, Brexit in January is now all but
certain -- Britain will come out of the European Union.

Jeremy Corbyn's Labor party suffered a disastrous loss, with only 191
MPs. Corbyn is a super-obnoxious Socialist, and so this result may
have implications for the US elections next year.

The Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP), which is restricted to Scotland,
will have 55 MPs, which is a lot for the SNP.

This will give the nationalists in Scotland a reason to push for a new
referendum for Scotland to secede from the UK. However, this will be
complicated by the fact that even if Scotland secedes from the UK,
there's no guarantee that Scotland will be able to join the EU.

** 12-Dec-2019 World View: Boris Johnson / Tories win overwhelming victory - Brexit now certain
Good analysis of the election. I talked with family over there and they voted with their wallets. They know the EU is bust and Her Majesty's Exchequer is being looted to pay for Portugal, Italy, Greece (sorry John), Spain and soon France. Labor is Anti-Semitic and full bore Socialist (communist to older family) and that makes them puke.
SNP may rattle the cage for independence, but they will stay in the United Kingdom, because they know that the EU cannot match the benefits of London, they would be poorer and one nation out of 28 versus four.