Generational Dynamics World View News

[Guest]

It looks like Turkey and Greece are about to go to war.

[John]

6-Mar-20 World View -- Turkey's Erdogan travels to Moscow to beg Russia's Putin for Idlib ceasefire deal

European Union reaction to Idlib crisis


** 6-Mar-20 World View -- Turkey's Erdogan travels to Moscow to beg Russia's Putin for Idlib ceasefire deal
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e200306



Contents:
Turkey's Erdogan travels to Moscow to beg Russia's Putin for Idlib ceasefire deal
Putin's objectives in Syria
Erdogan's objectives in Syria
European Union reaction to Idlib crisis


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, Syria, Bashar al-Assad, Idlib,
Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Russia, Vladimir Putin,
Tartus naval base, Hmeimim airbase, Nato,
Bulgaria, Greece, Edirne river, Cyprus

[Navigator]

Excellent article on Turkey/Russia/Syria. This is not even background noise in current news reporting. I think that Erdogan is in trouble domestically due to the large number of casualties. But he may get some breathing space as the WuHu flu moves through the country and people focus on that instead.

[John]

** 05-Mar-2020 World View: Background noise

> Excellent article on Turkey/Russia/Syria. This is not even
> background noise in current news reporting. I think that Erdogan
> is in trouble domestically due to the large number of casualties.
> But he may get some breathing space as the WuHu flu moves through
> the country and people focus on that instead.

Yeah, it's really amazing that this story is being ignored. This is
an incredibly important story that can blow up in several different
ways at any time.

[Navigator]

I agree completely. Turks have long history of hate and conflict with Russia, and with Greece. And of course the fact that Erdogan is now only quasi-NATO.

[Nathan Redshield]

Would like to join in but for Family Matters can't comment until after March 14th. But from reading here this Turkey-Syria-Putin-etc. Idlib stuff IS DEADLY SERIOUS as in 1913-14 Balkans Serious. The Numbskulls of Western (and American) Media don't note it for several reasons ranging from normal stupidity and lack of history education to being stuffed with ancient propaganda points from two World Wars. I know about the Russo-Turkish war in 1877-78; how much activity was there on the front between the Ottomans and Russia in World War One?

[FishbellykanakaDude]

So, now we know...

MYANMAR..!

[FishbellykanakaDude]

... A very viable source of this crisis would be what would happen if there is no clear winner in the Electoral College after the voting in November. ...

My (new) Hilarious US Political Apocalypse scenario:

• Imagine that the Democratic Party’s ticket in an upcoming election were to win a plurality of the popular vote and a plurality of the electors—but then imagine that, because of a third-party candidate or an Electoral College tie between two candidates, the Democratic ticket fell short of 270 electoral votes. Imagine that the Republican ticket came in second both in the popular vote and within the Electoral College. Suddenly, the outcome of the election would be thrown to the House of Representatives.
  
  Assume now that House members each supported their party’s candidate and that the distribution of House seats broadly reflected the current reality. Because so many small states are reliably Republican, those states would almost surely support the Republican candidate. In other words, despite losing both the popular and electoral contests, in a “contingent election” where Wyoming’s vote holds as much weight as New York’s, the GOP nominee would likely win with 29 votes to the Democratic ticket’s 22.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

... I believe there is a very good possibility of the extreme left breaking off of the Democratic party and Bernie Sanders running as an independent. There is also some possibility of a "middle ground" party, of say Bloomberg/Romney, also pitching in to break people off of the Republican party. ...

Bernie is a coward in this regard. He's not gonna buck the folks that "truly" bankroll him.

His Bros may rebel spectacularly,.. but The Bern ain't no REAL revolutionary.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

6-Mar-20 World View -- Turkey's Erdogan travels to Moscow to beg Russia's

... Contents:
Turkey's Erdogan travels to Moscow to beg Russia's Putin for Idlib ceasefire deal
Putin's objectives in Syria
Erdogan's objectives in Syria
European Union reaction to Idlib crisis ...

So,.. war between Turkey and Russia..

Russia will have to strike Turkey from Syria and from across the Black Sea from Krasnodar Krai (northwest of the Caucasus), and probably Crimea.

That should be interesting. But does Russia want or need to get into a fightin' war with Turkey?

It might be advantageous for Russia if Turkey wipes out Assad's forces, and leaves Russia with those two bases and effective control over veritably the whole of Syria.

Turkey allows a mass alien invasion of Europe (Russia loves that); Turkey distances itself from its NATO "allies" (Russia REALLY loves that); Assad is essentially annihilated (Turkey loves that); Russia gets more control of the area without having to do much of anything (Russia loves it and Turkey couldn't give less of a shit),.. I'm not seeing the motivation for Turkey and Russia to get into a war with each other.

I'm seeing Russia standing back and eating popcorn while the show plays out, and Turkey gets to vent some of their "generational rage" on "the evil bad evil Ophthalmologist".

..nearly a win-win, though Turkey DOES have to do more of the heavy lifting.