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Higgenbotham
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Below are the most recent comments of the 8 traders I follow. Most are quoted verbatim. The order may have changed from what I posted earlier, but that doesn't matter much. Mostly I'm trying to get a representative sample from experienced traders who are usually right on balance. I think these comments provide a good roadmap for consideration next week.

Monday is crucial to my plan. If the 10/13 low does not hold I will agree with all the doomsday stuff out there. My work is not pointing to 12/30 as a yearly high OR low. Mistress Market will reveal which soon, and I will trade accordingly.

Technically we have the potential to retrace the entire rally of Thursday. Tactically it could be delayed because of OPEX next week.

Strong buying at the open into 3712 is met with heavy and persistent selling, triggering a Cover Signal below 3629 and a Sell Signal below 3614. An S/T Sell Signal at 3614.

Sentiment is still very bearish and a rally of 500 points from 3502 level is underway. This will probably only the first leg of a swing up to new highs.

All trends down but position unknown.

Market makers in OPEX week next week: " I think we need a bigger hammer for that one " If the price pattern I am seeing materializes, big fucking VIX geyser into Dec will follow, Thursday was very bearish for intermediate term, bears purged like no other day. I will have the confirmation by next week’s OPEX.

As before: classic Bear Market momentum profile in key Stocks. Data suggest things can get worse – until a climax is reached. Then every day on here someone calls a new Bull Market. Said it before: patience.

3250 will be the low of the bear market and it will come next year.

Some of these comments fit with one of my recent comments which was made before the market hit 3500 and reversed:
Higgenbotham wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:32 pm One possible scenario I see is that the market actually does bottom soon, rallies enough to make the buyers appear correct, then crashes when the coming low is taken out, probably after this month.
It seems uncertain when the crash will take place but we have a couple of these traders now suggesting a possible crash low in December.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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We had $17 trillion in negative-interest-rate-bonds. This is the most absurd bond pricing in thousands of years of recorded history. Of course it was a bubble. Sure looks like the air is coming out.

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Higgenbotham wrote: Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:23 pm Below are the most recent comments of the 8 traders I follow. Most are quoted verbatim. The order may have changed from what I posted earlier, but that doesn't matter much. Mostly I'm trying to get a representative sample from experienced traders who are usually right on balance. I think these comments provide a good roadmap for consideration next week.

Monday is crucial to my plan. If the 10/13 low does not hold I will agree with all the doomsday stuff out there. My work is not pointing to 12/30 as a yearly high OR low. Mistress Market will reveal which soon, and I will trade accordingly.

Technically we have the potential to retrace the entire rally of Thursday. Tactically it could be delayed because of OPEX next week.

Strong buying at the open into 3712 is met with heavy and persistent selling, triggering a Cover Signal below 3629 and a Sell Signal below 3614. An S/T Sell Signal at 3614.

Sentiment is still very bearish and a rally of 500 points from 3502 level is underway. This will probably only the first leg of a swing up to new highs.

All trends down but position unknown.

Market makers in OPEX week next week: " I think we need a bigger hammer for that one " If the price pattern I am seeing materializes, big fucking VIX geyser into Dec will follow, Thursday was very bearish for intermediate term, bears purged like no other day. I will have the confirmation by next week’s OPEX.

As before: classic Bear Market momentum profile in key Stocks. Data suggest things can get worse – until a climax is reached. Then every day on here someone calls a new Bull Market. Said it before: patience.

3250 will be the low of the bear market and it will come next year.

Some of these comments fit with one of my recent comments which was made before the market hit 3500 and reversed:
Higgenbotham wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:32 pm One possible scenario I see is that the market actually does bottom soon, rallies enough to make the buyers appear correct, then crashes when the coming low is taken out, probably after this month.
It seems uncertain when the crash will take place but we have a couple of these traders now suggesting a possible crash low in December.
Its a very difficult market to predict between now and year end. We could be on the edge of a waterfall crash from current levels, or from as low as 3200, to 2700 or lower, or alternatively we could be at the edge of a bear market rally. I don't think there is anyone with the skill to predict the market through to Christmas. All this of course affects trading not the long term.

For long term investors, including my own long term savings, I have no doubt that cash is best so as the buy up all the bargains once the bear market is over. We have only had 9 months of a bear market so far and gthere could be up to another 2 and a half years to go, or maybe not. We wait and see

I am trading very cautiously and simply following the price action and taking small profits with tight stop losses built into the trades.
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Price action today, Monday, in the early trading suggests that a bear market rally may be beginning, but that is not certain.
The August high was circa 4300 so if the lower highs and lower lows of a typical recessionery bear market play out, then the next high will be lower than the August high, perhaps / maybe about 3900 to 4000. Lets see
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Starting to go short at 3685. Slowly.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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richard5za wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:48 am Its a very difficult market to predict between now and year end. We could be on the edge of a waterfall crash from current levels, or from as low as 3200, to 2700 or lower, or alternatively we could be at the edge of a bear market rally. I don't think there is anyone with the skill to predict the market through to Christmas. All this of course affects trading not the long term.

For long term investors, including my own long term savings, I have no doubt that cash is best so as the buy up all the bargains once the bear market is over. We have only had 9 months of a bear market so far and there could be up to another 2 and a half years to go, or maybe not. We wait and see

I am trading very cautiously and simply following the price action and taking small profits with tight stop losses built into the trades.
This is not a good short term trading environment yet, at least not for me, because the manipulators still have control of the market. It would be better if there were more short term volatility consistent with loss of control and a thinner book, short term meaning on the order of minutes, not days as we see currently. That gets a small guy like me in and out with frequent profits while the big players are stuck. The last time we saw that kind of volatility was in March 2020 and before that August 2015. Thus, I feel any short I take needs to be smaller than usual in case the market runs away from me.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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Higgenbotham wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:39 pm
richard5za wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:48 am Its a very difficult market to predict between now and year end.
I am trading very cautiously and simply following the price action and taking small profits with tight stop losses built into the trades.
This is not a good short term trading environment yet, at least not for me, because the manipulators still have control of the market. It would be better if there were more short term volatility consistent with loss of control and a thinner book, short term meaning on the order of minutes, not days as we see currently. That gets a small guy like me in and out with frequent profits while the big players are stuck. The last time we saw that kind of volatility was in March 2020 and before that August 2015. Thus, I feel any short I take needs to be smaller than usual in case the market runs away from me.
Its not good for me. We all develop a trading method that works for us and I like the short term trends, anything from a few days to a couple of weeks with reasonable clarity on whether we are heading down or up.
My average time in the market for each trade from Jan 1 to July was 1 day 2 hours and my increase in total trading funds was 112% slightly over double. In the current market I am doing very small short term trades - I noticed one the other day from time of opening to closing the trade was 1 min 19 seconds (for a profit on that occasion)
Good luck Higgie, I hope you make a fortune!!!
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After posting that, I saw the market has run up some tonight. I covered the short from this morning but initiated a small short about 25 points lower than here after the close, so my equity will be dipping back tomorrow after a pretty good run the past few days. I won't be adding to this short immediately as I think the market swings will continue to be fairly wide in here.

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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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Higgenbotham wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:22 am After posting that, I saw the market has run up some tonight. I covered the short from this morning but initiated a small short about 25 points lower than here after the close, so my equity will be dipping back tomorrow after a pretty good run the past few days. I won't be adding to this short immediately as I think the market swings will continue to be fairly wide in here.

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Not sure what time zone you are in, but assume I am at least 6 hours ahead of you: I am part of a local trading group blog, with about 40 active individual participants who make their living from trading. So no hedge funds, professional asset managers, etc

So getting to my point re your focus upon shorting: I am surprise this morning (4 am Eastern time), just how many of the guys in my group reckon that the S&P 500 is in for a fall rather than a bear rally and that shorting is the way to go.

I am long as I write small parcel tightly controlled
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