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John wrote:** 17-Mar-2020 World View: Another example of Adaptive Clothing

We've been discussing adaptive clothing that protects the wearer
from the Wuhan Coronavirus. Here's another example:

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• Adaptive clothing being used at a Beijing railway station (SCMP)

They'll have to change the warning printed on large flimsy plastic bags to:
WARNING: This bag is NOT a toy, it is a MEDICAL DEVICE.

tim wrote:

Navigator wrote:Tim

Here is the routine for bio-warfare:
1. Develop a super nasty virus ...

4d chess.

Ya' do realize that "4D chess" actually means, "Just suspend your faculties of reason and try to follow me with this conjecture...",.. right?

If they did that we would know they were attacking us and would suffer from retaliation.

China can lock down its cities and subjugate its population in a way the rest of the world cannot. Even if China lost half its population to the virus they end up in better shape.

John has said in the crisis people do not think rationally. Today you can look back at the Pearl Harbor attack or hitler attacking Russia and think what a stupid idea that had no chance.

I think the war has started but we don’t know it yet.

The war started long LONG ago, so that's not an issue.

Your scenario is quite interesting, but for it to be believable it needs more fleshing out, to convincingly dispense with the obvious flaws that it doesn't answer.

Scenarios can be constructed to rationalize any "desired" situation. That's what fiction is all about. Fiction is fun.

Just be careful what it is that you find "fun", and how serious/invested you are in promulgating said "fun" as probable fact.

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:

tim wrote:

Navigator wrote:Tim

Here is the routine for bio-warfare:
1. Develop a super nasty virus ...

4d chess.

Ya' do realize that "4D chess" actually means, "Just suspend your faculties of reason and try to follow me with this conjecture...",.. right?

If they did that we would know they were attacking us and would suffer from retaliation.

China can lock down its cities and subjugate its population in a way the rest of the world cannot. Even if China lost half its population to the virus they end up in better shape.

John has said in the crisis people do not think rationally. Today you can look back at the Pearl Harbor attack or hitler attacking Russia and think what a stupid idea that had no chance.

I think the war has started but we don’t know it yet.

The war started long LONG ago, so that's not an issue.

Your scenario is quite interesting, but for it to be believable it needs more fleshing out, to convincingly dispense with the obvious flaws that it doesn't answer.

Scenarios can be constructed to rationalize any "desired" situation. That's what fiction is all about. Fiction is fun.

Just be careful what it is that you find "fun", and how serious/invested you are in promulgating said "fun" as probable fact.

What do you mean "The war started long LONG ago, so that's not an issue."

If you were a future historian when would you exactly say the war started?

Are you referring to how the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act contributed to WWII?

I don't find any of this fun, China just expelled American journalists.

I think its a solid theory and a brilliant military move.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/busi ... lists.html

** 17-Mar-2020 World View: Industries likely to succeed

I asked readers to suggest businesses that are likely to do well
during the Wuhan Coronavirus crisis, and likely to contribute
to the recovery of the "real economy." A reader sent me the
following list:

Other industries that will likely have to soldier on include:

• Garbage and Sanitation
• Rail and LTL Truck
• Dedicated Courier services
• Electrical Systems maintenance and Service providers
  (i.e. the Grid)
• Repair and replacement of Power generators
  and related Power Generation equipment

tim wrote:

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:... blah blah blah ...

What do you mean "The war started long LONG ago, so that's not an issue."

The war is coming along at the pace that it's "coming along". The war proper is inevitable, but the timing of the "commencement of military hostilities" is highly unpredictable.

The issue is not the START of the war, but rather how it's progressing, and which forces are making it come sooner or later.

If you were a future historian when would you exactly say the war started?

Are you referring to how the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act contributed to WWII?

Military hostilities, in my opinion, are WAY off, as the belligerents will need to deal with a bunch of exigencies for quite a while.

Wars (military hostilities) start when one side can't convince the other side that their "absolutely necessary whatever" should be allowed to be "given to/purchased by" them. Wars start when someone feels cornered and denied.

I don't find any of this fun, China just expelled American journalists.

I do find conjecture fun. This entire "real life" scenario is absolutely fascinating,.. which to me is another definition of "fun".

Those who can't admit that dealing with, or conjecturing about, real problems is "fun" are in severe danger of self-induced unnecessary panic, and bringing other people with them.

I think its a solid theory and a brilliant military move.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/busi ... lists.html

It is not particularly solid as a theory, because it leaves the "user" in a very peculiar position if it isn't nearly 100% effective, or even if it IS 100% effective, both with the rest of the world and with it's own internal populations.

But, it IS fascinating to think about how the "user" might try to get around the position they'd put themselves into if they really DID use the tactic/strategy.

I'd love to see how it could be used in a "brilliant" way. What I'm seeing at this point is that it's certainly NOT a brilliant move.

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:

tim wrote:

FishbellykanakaDude wrote: I'd love to see how it could be used in a "brilliant" way. What I'm seeing at this point is that it's certainly NOT a brilliant move.

We will find out soon enough.

The United States is still behind Italy but the virus is here and its spreading.

I believe China will suffer less then the United States when all is said and done.

Lets compare the condition of the United States to China in 6 months.

If (when) you have to "self-isolate" for a month or so, or more, why not make a "long virtual passage" on your "truly huge and ludicrously luxurious virtual yacht" (aka your home)...!!



Also, check out their previous vids regarding how they deal with life living on a very limited living space boat while travelling the world FOR 35+ YEARS without dying or going utterly mad.

tim wrote:

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:

tim wrote:

We will find out soon enough.

The United States is still behind Italy but the virus is here and its spreading.

I believe China will suffer less then the United States when all is said and done.

Lets compare the condition of the United States to China in 6 months.

We're gonna do that anyway, so that's a GREAT no-effort way to pass the day!

But if you are truly interested in "your" theory I'd REALLY encourage you to do some real intensive legwork into fleshing it out to see where it might actually work and where it might fail as a tactic.

And if nothing else, you'd have a VERY engrossing tale to tell,.. and you may be able to inform the "powers that be" how best to respond, or preempt, to it's real or potential use.

By the way,.. I'm not criticizing you personally. That SHOULD be quite obvious, but quite often it isn't.

Aloha nui ʻoe! Nā pōmaikaʻi īa ʻoe. <shaka!>

** 17-Mar-2020 World View: China

FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > Military hostilities, in my opinion, are WAY off, as the
> belligerents will need to deal with a bunch of exigencies for
> quite a while.

> Wars (military hostilities) start when one side can't convince the
> other side that their "absolutely necessary whatever" should be
> allowed to be "given to/purchased by" them. Wars start when
> someone feels cornered and denied.

I guess you don't believe a word that I've ever written.

tim wrote: > I believe China will suffer less then the United States when all
> is said and done. Lets compare the condition of the United States
> to China in 6 months.

I'll take that bet. China's economy is an absolute disaster from
shutting down all its factories, and they're harshly censoring rural
coronavirus outbreaks. If China tries to reopen its factories, so
Chinese workers will be working together again, the outbreaks will
resurface.