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John wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:28 pm

Bob Butler wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:38 pm This is not like the last crisis when one’s on culture was viewed as superior, other cultures not, and military force was attempted rabidly to increase territory and thus power. There is just no comparable attempt at military expansion. Does this mean no major powers will fall? Not clear. Powers fall for other reasons.

This is absolutely, positively not true. The Chinese Communist culture is worse than the Nazi culture on steroids. The Chinese Communists consider their culture to be vastly superior to the Nazi culture and to all Western cultures, with the manifest destiny of colonizing other lands, such as the United States, Canada and Australia.

I argued that the Spanish, British, Soviet powers faded for economic reasons. You made no attempt to counter the argument, but assumed extreme military adventure for powers fading was correct with no reason. Ignoring history is not a good way to build a reputation.

Has China launched any wars of aggression lately? True, in Mao’s day they considered the communist theory superior to the Chinese culture, but the traditional Chinese culture was embodied by their opposition at the time. They were fighting against it for reason. They have more recently been into a hybrid capitalist - autocratic culture which is not much superior to anything and living on borrowed time. It has some semblance of the way the Emperors did things in the old days. They favor autocratic rule with an accent on the well to do elites at the expense of the people.

They are much more into brinksmanship and bluff than actually using military force against anyone but their own people. When did they hit the beaches of the US, Canada or Australia? Sure, they will play financial games, and by exploiting their people with bad air, poor wages and lousy benefits earn their enmity, but use military force against 'inferior' cultures to increase their power? The Axis powers last crisis tried it blatantly. Just ask Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, North Africa, France, the Soviets, etc... China hasn’t.

Their curse and boon has been a long trouble time between the opium wars and Mao’s Great Leap Forward. The people went though a lot of ugliness and are reluctant to enter such a period again. Until now at least, the opposition has been tentative. Now, though, the ugliness is passing out of living memory. The willingness to see faults in the culture is coming more to the foreground. The S&H concept of every four score and seven years the people see flaws in the culture and demand that they be fixed is coming due. In short, there could well be a crisis. You ought to familiarize yourself with the S&H theory.

Again, somewhere between the machine gun and the nuke, war of conquest became not cost effective. There are some slow learners, including yourself. China and the CCP is not one of them. In this era of proxy and insurgent wars, the faction that the insurgents can hide among have an advantage. China acknowledges this and uses it. They do not fight it by being the one to invade places and oppose the natives. They try financial games instead with very mixed results.

JCP wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:29 am Could this pandemic continue forever? I mean, if this is a bio-weapon couldn't it just continue to mutate until it becomes extremely deadly and unstoppable? It seems to be on that path now.

It's not a pandemic, never has been. Why? It doesn't affect all people, not even close. Can the response continue forever? Yes, as long as the people allow the lies to continue.

The delta variant is the continued evolution of all viruses, that is, less lethal over time and a big win in fact since everyone will have confronted it and it will be like any other virus that isn't lethal for healthy people. We already knew that about coronaviruses, and for that matter, all viruses that are seasonal.

Tom Mazanec wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:58 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIJq79HsvuU
The Crisis of the 21st Century

Great link. In particular, see 4:02. Amazing truths never talked about in the modern era.

Also note that this isn't a pandemic, as it doesn't kill many people and it certainly doesn't kill ALL people. It's just not lethal disease comparable to any pandemic of the past, which is why it is not a pandemic.

** 31-Jul-2021 World View: Pandemic

I don't believe that a "pandemic" requires deaths. It doesn't
even require disease.

Definition 2: an outbreak or product of sudden rapid spread, growth,
or development : epidemic entry 2 sense 2

"We have been talking about the pandemic of racism for centuries." —
Roger Griffith

"Nobel-prize winning economist Robert Shiller warns a pandemic of fear
could tip the economy into an undeserved depression." — Stephanie
Landsman

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic

John wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:21 am ** 31-Jul-2021 World View: Pandemic

I don't believe that a "pandemic" requires deaths. It doesn't
even require disease.

Definition 2: an outbreak or product of sudden rapid spread, growth,
or development : epidemic entry 2 sense 2

"We have been talking about the pandemic of racism for centuries." —
Roger Griffith

"Nobel-prize winning economist Robert Shiller warns a pandemic of fear
could tip the economy into an undeserved depression." — Stephanie
Landsman

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic

You delve into leftist subjectivism occasionally. Peculiar given that your worldview is largely correct.

As you know in greek, this disease doesn't affect "all" the "people."

Thus, not a pandemic by any stretch.

The response to a seasonal virus, albeit manipulated and planned, may be the pandemic, but the virus itself isn't.

I have considered the Covid attack as essentially an attack precipitated by the CCP and the Democratic party. Both desperately needed to get rid of Trump in order to save their own hides. Fauci and company have funded and shared research on the corona viruses for the CCP and view the CCP as a lesser threat to them than Trump. Like the CCP, the Democratic Socialist elite view the US population as deplorables and replaceables and that a few thousand deaths and noble lies on the road to totalitarian atheism if more than acceptable.

Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries typically posts multiple meanings of words. That a minor secondary meaning can be applicable does not mean the primary meaning cannot also be applicable.

The problem is that Covid was politicized. The CCP wanted to avoid blame for a questionable hiding of the disease in the early days. Trump saw a healthy economy as essential to his reelection, and thus minimized the pandemic. He viewed his reelection more important than expendable lives. Both sets of blame are quite possibly valid, to be remembered in the late crisis 'never again' phase to prevent what happened from happening again. Fauci and the Democrats took another slant, thinking a disease that caused more American deaths than World War II should be fought intensely. This should be understandable politics aside. It is the job of government to protect their people.

At this point the politicizing continues. We could end the pandemic with the vaccines, but the Republican minimizing of the effort to fight the disease is continuing. I see it as ironic that the original intent was to expend lives to save the economy, but now saving lives could help the economy recover, could end economy damaging restrictions.

Ah, well. The Trump followers are killing themselves. The new Covid wave is helping those few unaware realize how selfish Trump is.

Bob Butler wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:03 pm Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries typically posts multiple meanings of words. That a minor secondary meaning can be applicable does not mean the primary meaning cannot also be applicable.

The problem is that Covid was politicized. The CCP wanted to avoid blame for a questionable hiding of the disease in the early days. Trump saw a healthy economy as essential to his reelection, and thus minimized the pandemic. He viewed his reelection more important than expendable lives. Both sets of blame are quite possibly valid, to be remembered in the late crisis 'never again' phase to prevent what happened from happening again. Fauci and the Democrats took another slant, thinking a disease that caused more American deaths than World War II should be fought intensely. This should be understandable politics aside. It is the job of government to protect their people.

At this point the politicizing continues. We could end the pandemic with the vaccines, but the Republican minimizing of the effort to fight the disease is continuing. I see it as ironic that the original intent was to expend lives to save the economy, but now saving lives could help the economy recover, could end economy damaging restrictions.

Ah, well. The Trump followers are killing themselves. The new Covid wave is helping those few unaware realize how selfish Trump is.

What is it with you leftists and this virus?

Why is it either "vaccine or ventilator"?

I had COVID and survived just fine. Flu like symptoms and lost taste for a short time. I am fully recovered with no long term damage.

tim wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:11 pm I had COVID and survived just fine. Flu like symptoms and lost taste for a short time. I am fully recovered with no long term damage.

More American deaths than World War II. On Trump's head.

Why are you righties so selfish? You care only for own experience, not for America as a whole? No, not everybody who was infected got the deadly effects. I suppose those that did are not testifying. But some see it as an issue of life and death and respond accordingly.

** 31-Jul-2021 World View: Leftists vs Rightists

Bob Butler wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:49 pm > Why are you righties so selfish?

Hmmmm. What's the opposite of "leftist"? Is it "rightie"? Is it
"rightist"? Or maybe it's one of Biden's favorite epithets, "White
Supremacist" or "Domestic Terrorist."