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China Joe and Kamala have already cut a deal to betray Asia to the CCP. People voted for that.

There is something that could be a chink in the armor (no pun intended) that is not talked about here much, it is talked around. John has mentioned the technocracy and even the "singularity" before though, I recall, so I think he should address it, since it could be a type of WWIII foil or doomsday halt that you all so frequently take for granted. Futurists are generally full of shit, as they do the same thing evolutionists do. I warn about this even with generational dynamics in a sense, because the answer is always "given enough time" XYZ will happen. Umm, no. I don't doubt there is a probability that it happens, even a large one (war) but there is something people are forgetting.

The US and its corporations have had an unholy alliance for decades now, even longer than the modern technocracy was established with Microsoft (also its silicon valley buddies) and the opening of China. They are in league with China in many, many ways. Since the deep state is clearly more powerful than Trump or his supporters at this time, why would we go to war with them? It seems our own government is in on the CCP like race to control its population as well, with social media, censorship, central banking, food, drugs, etc. Just what the elites, European and American and otherwise, have been telling us since the 1940s. The problem is that now they have the technology coming to do it - and the corporate links to enforce and trap everyone since jobs for so many are dependent on these and their anti-human HR departments.

Whether one believes it or not, archetypal or not, the mark is coming. I personally think this is a test run and the transhumanist movement is the real demonic degradation of mankind that is desired by these global overlords. Knowledge of that is far more important, since we are eternal beings, and our very salvation depends on it. Even if "generational dynamics" is right, there's nothing new under the sun, and it'll just happen again in the next 80 or 160 years, right? Ultimately, if you don't have your trust in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you have no life in you. You'll just die like the rest did, your "stuff" will rot, your memory will fade. Your children will even die just as you did. Unless there is more to us than the material. I've good good news for you all - there is.

Think about it.

** 16-Dec-2020 World View: False dystopic predictions

No one would accuse me of being a Pollyanna, with predictions of a
global financial crisis and WW III, but there seem to be an increasing
number of dystopic predictions being made that have no basis in
reality or history.

Let's start with the incipient war between Latinos and blacks.

Several people in this forum have complained that unlike the
antifa-blm violence, violence between Latinos and blacks is being
ignored by the media.

I've been doing some research, and it's true that there is a great
deal of hatred from Latinos directed at blacks (and also at whites),
but there is no organized violence as in the case of antifa-blm
violence. The violence by Latinos is, as far as I can tell, sporadic
street violence by Latino street gangs (as in West Side Story).

That would explain why there's almost no media coverage of Latino
violence. The antifa-blm fascist violence was massive, in multiple
cities across the country, violently attacking people and burning down
minority businesses, including businesses owned by Latinos, which has
infuriated the Latino community. That news was censored by the
Democrats and the mainstream press, but it's important news and was
thoroughly covered by Fox News and non-Democrat controlled media.

However, the Latino violence does not rise to that level. Street
gangs have been around for decades, just like blacks murdering blacks
on the streets of Chicago, but none of that is considered important or
novel enough for coverage, even by Fox News.

Some people have been predicting a major civil war between Latinos and
blacks or between Latinos and whites. As I've previously indicated, I
was concerned about that myself during the Latino street marches in
2006, but those activities have fizzled.

So in response to these predictions: There is evidence of a great deal
of Latino hatred directed at blacks, and there is evidence of sporadic
Latino gang violence directed at blacks, but there is no evidence of
massive violence anywhere comparable to the massive antifa-blm fascist
violence of the last few months. That would explain why there has
been no systematic media coverage of Latino-black violence.

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*** Other dystopic predictions
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Here are some religion-based predictions that I've seen in the
Generational Dynamics forum, in the media, in e-mail, or in news
reports:

• Christianity: Imminent second coming of Jesus Christ as the
  Messiah.
• Buddhism: The Maitreya -- that a new Buddha is to appear on earth,
  and will achieve complete enlightenment.
• Shia Islam: The return of the 12th Imam as the messiah to avenge
  injustices to the Shia.
• Climate Change: End of humanity through drowning or burning or
  freezing or whatever.
• Attacks by aliens from flying saucers.

The above dystopic predictions are based on religious beliefs that
have no historical support at all.

Here are the two major Generational Dynamics predictions:

• World War III, most likely with China.
• Global financial crisis.

You do not have to "believe" in Generational Dynamics or any religion
to consider these predictions valid.

There were two world wars in the last century, plus massive additional
wars on several continents, and there have been massive wars in every
region in every century for millennia. So it's 100% certain that
there will be multiple crisis wars in this century.

If you don't believe that, then you must believe in your own religion
-- that the problem of war has been "solved." Maybe you'd be like the
believers in the historial fantasy in 1929 when the US led the world
in signing the Kellogg-Briand Pact, which outlawed war and made war
illegal. Frank Kellogg earned the Nobel Peace Prize in 1929 for his
work on the Peace Pact. Maybe Xi Jinping is looking forward to
getting his own Nobel Peace Prize.

It's like "La Belle Époque." There were two world wars in the last
century, plus massive wars on every continent, and there have been
massive wars on every continent in every century for millennia, but
everyone believes their own fantasies and nobody believes that war is
even possible until it starts. Then they ruefully wish that they had
taken even some simple steps to prepare.

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-belle-epo ... ge-1221300

So the prediction of multiple world wars and crisis wars does not
require any religious belief. It is based entirely on millennia of
history, and the "religious" belief would be that there would be no
world wars.

The prediction of a global financial crisis is, once again, based on
millennia of history. You don't have to believe in any religion to
recognize a series of international bubbles and financial crises that
occurred at regular intervals: the 1637 Tulipomania bubble, the South
Sea bubble of the 1710s-20s, the bankruptcy of the French monarchy in
the 1789, the Panic of 1857, and the 1929 Wall Street crash. We're now
overdue for the next one. If you don't like those examples, there are
plenty of other examples that you can research in every country in
every century throughout history.

Once again, for you to believe that there won't be a global financial
crisis then you'd have to have a "religious" belief that global
interlocking debt can increase indefinitely. There actually is a
religion that holds this belief. That religion is called Modern
Monetary Theory (MMT), which says that an infinite amount of money can
be printed and debt can be accumulated, and it will never have to be
paid back. This is a great religion, but it has no basis in reality,
or in history.

However, I would like to commend "tim", whose predictions have been
consistent with history and reality.

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am Whether one believes it or not, archetypal or not, the mark is coming. I personally think this is a test run and the transhumanist movement is the real demonic degradation of mankind that is desired by these global overlords. Knowledge of that is far more important, since we are eternal beings, and our very salvation depends on it. Even if "generational dynamics" is right, there's nothing new under the sun, and it'll just happen again in the next 80 or 160 years, right? Ultimately, if you don't have your trust in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you have no life in you. You'll just die like the rest did, your "stuff" will rot, your memory will fade. Your children will even die just as you did. Unless there is more to us than the material. I've good good news for you all - there is.

Think about it.

As a Christian, I mostly agree with this statement. However, the first two sentences are debatable.

There are many Christians who believe that the mark is not coming, because it already came. They believe that the entire Book of Revelation up to 20:6 is a reference to the events between 30 and 70 AD, the period between the ascension of Jesus and the destruction of the Second Temple. The Beast was Emperor Nero, and the False Prophet was the Pharisees. The Beast died by his own hand in 68 AD, and his dynasty collapsed soon afterward, for he had no heirs. By then, he and the False Prophet had turned on each other, and were at war. The dynasty following that of the beast destroyed the False Prophet two years later. This marked the beginning of the Millennium, a symbolic period that is still ongoing today. There have been numerous attempts to destroy the Church since then, but all have failed spectacularly. The final attempt is yet to come, and it will be the only attempt that will come close to destroying the Church. When it appears that all is lost, Christ will return, and the final judgment will happen. Meanwhile, it is impossible to know if we are truly in the end times, for only the Father knows, per Matthew 24:36.

This position is dominant among Catholics (such as myself), Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, and even many Protestants.

Regarding John's, it is an interesting post. I just wanted to say that I didn't predict anything (I actually believe a crisis of some sort financially is nearly guaranteed and with potential for war). But the larger point is, what do these predictions mean if we are dead in the long run, anyway? Or we just cycle to another bad run for our grandkids? Especially if these are supposed to be so dire, as many on here "predict."

This is why in particular timing matter for predictions. Severity does too. Everyone "knows" financial issues will come and that wars will come. If you can't even name a time period, though, it does little. I think only a small minority of people believe foolishly that wars won't happen again or economic crashes won't, to some degree. Yes, those are religious thinkers. Shit, most religious thinkers these days are the lefty progressives with their climate change as eschatology and "progress" with scientism. Basically, the underpinnings of murderous ideologies repackaged as communism 2.0

DaKardii wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:44 pm

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am Whether one believes it or not, archetypal or not, the mark is coming. I personally think this is a test run and the transhumanist movement is the real demonic degradation of mankind that is desired by these global overlords. Knowledge of that is far more important, since we are eternal beings, and our very salvation depends on it. Even if "generational dynamics" is right, there's nothing new under the sun, and it'll just happen again in the next 80 or 160 years, right? Ultimately, if you don't have your trust in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you have no life in you. You'll just die like the rest did, your "stuff" will rot, your memory will fade. Your children will even die just as you did. Unless there is more to us than the material. I've good good news for you all - there is.

Think about it.

As a Christian, I mostly agree with this statement. However, the first two sentences are debatable.

There are many Christians who believe that the mark is not coming, because it already came. They believe that the entire Book of Revelation up to 20:6 is a reference to the events between 30 and 70 AD, the period between the ascension of Jesus and the destruction of the Second Temple. The Beast was Emperor Nero, and the False Prophet was the Pharisees. The Beast died by his own hand in 68 AD, and his dynasty collapsed soon afterward, for he had no heirs. By then, he and the False Prophet had turned on each other, and were at war. The dynasty following that of the beast destroyed the False Prophet two years later. This marked the beginning of the Millennium, a symbolic period that is still ongoing today. There have been numerous attempts to destroy the Church since then, but all have failed spectacularly. The final attempt is yet to come, and it will be the only attempt that will come close to destroying the Church. When it appears that all is lost, Christ will return, and the final judgment will happen. Meanwhile, it is impossible to know if we are truly in the end times, for only the Father knows, per Matthew 24:36.

This position is dominant among Catholics (such as myself), Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, and even many Protestants.

That's why I said it is archetypal. You are correct - in addition even a lot of Romans believed that the Emperor would return and show that the mortal wound was staved off ... but it didn't happen. 666 is definitively a reference to Nero, by the way, yes. What wasn't as discrete in that time period, though, was the mark to be involved in the "economic system" or to eat, or whatever. Also, Enoch and Elijah haven't returned to die, as all men must.

Regardless of when it happens (I have a guess, but it's obviously pure speculation) the first run or trial attempt has been completed by the planned Covid pseudo-pandemic. There is a reason why only corporations and governments, which have been linked disgustingly for years, will continue to exist. One last hurrah can happen with Dow to 40k or something, but bizarro world of vaccines that are trial runs as well, and still suggesting that masking should be done for something that isn't lethal, is beyond stupid and meaningless. It's very telling.

John, considering your relationship with Steve Bannon and his interest in Generational Dynamics, what is your opinion on his statement from a February 2018 interview with GQ that China is forming a "new axis" with Iran and Turkey?

Here, he seemingly pushes the idea that Iran and Turkey will be China's main partners in the upcoming clash of civilizations; they will be more important to Xi than even North Korea and Pakistan.

https://www.gq.com/story/steve-bannon-f ... -interview

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:00 pm What wasn't as discrete in that time period, though, was the mark to be involved in the "economic system" or to eat, or whatever. Also, Enoch and Elijah haven't returned to die, as all men must.

Amillenialsts/Preterists (I consider them one and the same) believe that the "mark of the beast" was a reference to Roman currency, which was marked with the face and name of the emperor. Because at the time the emperor was considered a divine title, whenever you bought or sold anything in Rome you would have to use currency that essentially had the image of a pagan idol.

They also consider the Two Witnesses to be purely symbolical. Not Moses and Elijah themselves, but their ministries. They died with the destruction of the Temple, but were resurrected with the Church.

Yes, clearly there are many symbolic things (St. John the Forerunner as Elijah) but usually these also coincide. I have no problem, I don't find them to be either/or, but both/and (hey I'm Orthodox). The mark involves the right hand and/or forehead though, but coins do not.

As for Bannon, he's a very interesting guy. Generational forgetting was a big topic of his, which is what Xenakis alludes to.

John, do you believe that the deep state is just entrenched bureaucracy, or that they are as power mongering evil as many of these globalists? I'm curious. The sad part is that the only answer to the corrupted institutions, like media and the government, along with corporations - especially when you can't reason with them any longer - is what Pinochet had to do. And Chile flourished. That wasn't by mistake, either.

** 16-Dec-2020 World View: We're all going to die anyway

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:51 pm > Regarding John's, it is an interesting post. I just wanted to say
> that I didn't predict anything (I actually believe a crisis of
> some sort financially is nearly guaranteed and with potential for
> war). But the larger point is, what do these predictions mean if
> we are dead in the long run, anyway? Or we just cycle to another
> bad run for our grandkids? Especially if these are supposed to be
> so dire, as many on here "predict."

> This is why in particular timing matter for predictions. Severity
> does too. Everyone "knows" financial issues will come and that
> wars will come. If you can't even name a time period, though, it
> does little. I think only a small minority of people believe
> foolishly that wars won't happen again or economic crashes won't,
> to some degree. Yes, those are religious thinkers. Shit, most
> religious thinkers these days are the lefty progressives with
> their climate change as eschatology and "progress" with
> scientism. Basically, the underpinnings of murderous ideologies
> repackaged as communism 2.0

You raise important questions that I've always had to deal with. All
I can do is tell how I've handled them.

"What do these predictions mean if we are dead in the long run?"

I've told many people just to ignore these predictions. Unless you're
psychopathically obsessed, like me, or unless you have specific plans,
like building an underground bunker to live in, then you might as well
just go on living your life and enjoying it, and just let people like
me worry about how it's going to end. If there's a war, then both of
us will probably die at the same time, but you'll have lived a happy,
optimistic life, and I'll have lived a sad, depressive life. We'll
both be just as dead, but you'll be better off, at least in the Karmic
sense, because you'll have been happier.

Another way of looking at it is that I can tell you that the camel's
back is going to break at some point, but I can't tell you which straw
will break the camel's back. But if you know that the camel's back
is going to break at some point, then you can take action, such
as getting another camel.

But I don't think it's right to say that just because we can't
predict a specific time for something that it might not occur for
centuries. As I said, there have been multiple massive wars in
the last century and in every century, so you can expect a world
war "soon," whatever that means, but certainly a lot sooner than
the next century.

What Generational Dynamics does is to at least provide a timeline
associated with dystopic predictions, via generational cycles (which
are fairly fixed). So we can look at the dates of the last few major
Western financial crises (1637, 1720, 1789, 1857, 1929), and you can
make probabilistic estimates of when the next crisis can occur. You
can start with generational trends to get an estimated date range, and
then you can can look at the list of previous crises and try to figure
out what they had in common that would predict another crisis, in
order to narrow the date range. That's what I've tried to do, without
attempting to set a specific date. So I can refer to exponential
growing interlocking global debt, or I can refer to the CCP's
increasing belligerence and delusional insanity, and I can quote the
saying, "If something can't go on forever, then it won't." And I can
talk about how "La Belle Époque" ended with WW I, or I can talk about
how the Roaring Twenties ended with the stock market crash, and that
can provide clues about when the crisis will occur, but no definite
time. As I said, I can tell you that the camel's back is going to
break at some point, and I can give you a probabilistic estimate of
when it will happen, but I can't tell you for sure which straw will
break the camel's back.