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Guest wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:56 am

Guest wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:34 am I predict Australia will be under Chinese control by 2023, Just seeing how fast the U.S. came under Chinese control though election fraud this year.

They won't get New Zealand though. New Zealand has Jacinda Ardern who is one of the best leaders the world has ever seen.

Stop.

Bob Butler wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:39 am

Guest wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:22 amA lot I can say here, but I will focus on Taiwan. Taiwan was a dictatorship for decades. The Taiwanese came to democracy themselves. So the Chinese can go it alone.

Agreed Taiwan is as good an example of transitioning as we have. I'm not sure it is good enough. I'm nearly as concerned about the CCP as John, and North Korea is worse.

Also try South Korea. it was a dictatorship and had a GDP smaller than North Korea into the 1980's. Yes, it's Koreans, not Chinese but I don't the principle is much different.

Guest wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:34 am I predict Australia will be under Chinese control by 2023, Just seeing how fast the U.S. came under Chinese control though election fraud this year.

Clarify what you mean by "Chinese control". If you mean military control, that's a fantasy. China doesn't have the ability to prosecute an invasion Taiwan right now, never mind a much bigger country much further away. Political control also seems to not be possible since public opinion is turning even further against China. I suppose that would leave economic though it's tough to see how much more China could *not* import from Australia. The coal sanctions have been leading to power shortages already.

** 30-Dec-2020 World View: Chinese control

Xeraphim1 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:26 pm > Clarify what you mean by "Chinese control". If you mean military
> control, that's a fantasy. China doesn't have the ability to
> prosecute an invasion Taiwan right now, never mind a much bigger
> country much further away. Political control also seems to not be
> possible since public opinion is turning even further against
> China. I suppose that would leave economic though it's tough to
> see how much more China could *not* import from Australia. The
> coal sanctions have been leading to power shortages already.
>

I would caution against this reasoning. Japan didn't have the ability
to invade the US, but it did. The South didn't have the ability to
invade the North, but it did. Generational crisis wars are like sex -
pure emotion.

Xeraphim1 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:22 pmAlso try South Korea. it was a dictatorship and had a GDP smaller than North Korea into the 1980's. Yes, it's Koreans, not Chinese but I don't the principle is much different.

Fair enough.

John wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:31 pm ** 30-Dec-2020 World View: Chinese control

Xeraphim1 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:26 pm > Clarify what you mean by "Chinese control". If you mean military
> control, that's a fantasy. China doesn't have the ability to
> prosecute an invasion Taiwan right now, never mind a much bigger
> country much further away. Political control also seems to not be
> possible since public opinion is turning even further against
> China. I suppose that would leave economic though it's tough to
> see how much more China could *not* import from Australia. The
> coal sanctions have been leading to power shortages already.
>

I would caution against this reasoning. Japan didn't have the ability
to invade the US, but it did. The South didn't have the ability to
invade the North, but it did. Generational crisis wars are like sex -
pure emotion.

Japan landed a few under-supported troops in Alaska. It didn't have the troop or cargo lift to even assault Hawaii. I'm not counting the Philippines which were only nominally American at the time and were surrounded by Japanese territory at the time. Australia is a long way from China and Australia has a decent military which would slaughter any troop transports at a distance. Even Taiwan is only technically feasible and China would take huge losses in doing it. On the other hand, the Confederacy always had the ability to invade Union states which it did several times. Having land borders simplifies things greatly.

The question is whether or not China would want to take the damage that an attempt would take. Taiwan is much more feasible than Australia but I would hate to see the butcher's bill.

If China invaded Australia, how fast would the USA, GB, Canada, NZ declare war? How would countries like India, S Africa (any British influence country really) react? What about France, Germany, Russia, Japan, S Korea?

Of all the countries, I think an invasion of Australia would trigger the fastest international response and call to arms, compared to say Vietnam, the Philippines, or Taiwan (the lowest in my list of potential invasion targets).

It worries me that certain countries besides just Taiwan may be offered up as appeasement (Vietnam, Philippines) and “peace in our time” in a vain attempt at avoiding war and allowing corrupt politicians in various countries to continue suckling at the Chinese tit for even a little while longer.

Guest wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:09 pm If China invaded Australia, how fast would the USA, GB, Canada, NZ declare war? How would countries like India, S Africa (any British influence country really) react? What about France, Germany, Russia, Japan, S Korea?

Of all the countries, I think an invasion of Australia would trigger the fastest international response and call to arms, compared to say Vietnam, the Philippines, or Taiwan (the lowest in my list of potential invasion targets).

It worries me that certain countries besides just Taiwan may be offered up as appeasement (Vietnam, Philippines) and “peace in our time” in a vain attempt at avoiding war and allowing corrupt politicians in various countries to continue suckling at the Chinese tit for even a little while longer.

Assuming the reports I've heard over the past few months of Canada hosting Chinese soldiers are completely accurate, I very strongly believe Canada will be an enemy of the United States in WWIII. Of course, if Biden/Harris are allowed to take power, that's it for America - their administration will see America become China's vassal.

I believe John is grossly underestimating the malevolence of the Deep State and misattributing their actions to incompetence.

I suspect Trudeau is just more concerned with Russia than China. I would be at least if I had to consider Canada's place on the globe. He likely thinks having Chinese troops being more ready to fight in the cold is a good thing. He likely does not fear being attacked by China, as their supply tail would be absurdly exposed.

That is one thing Canada has a surplus of... cold.

We hastened the soviet's demise in the 80's. Too bad no one wants to do it with china.