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I live in FL and couple of my neighbors recently moved in from NJ and Chiraq. Knowing I see through the con that is DJT they chat with me about how they are afraid of those AR-15 carrying "Trump Supporters". I suggested the MSM has labeled anyone who would defend freedom and individual rights a "Trump Supporter" and radical extremist. Ask them, "Who is looting stores, burning down shops and beating defenseless women with 2 x 4's? Is it 'Trump Supporters'?" Then, as they sit with that uncomfortable look, I ask, "Is it not ironic that those who would defend YOUR freedom and rights are labeled the bad guys?" Talk of sports and weather follow.

Guest wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:18 am We hastened the soviet's demise in the 80's. Too bad no one wants to do it with china.

The old Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse back then. It was the right time to agitate. With the problems with China's flood and blackouts from attempting to boycot Australian coal, it might be the right time to try a reprise. I kind of doubt it will happen. Reagan liked an interesting performance. Biden? It doesn't seem his style.

2020 will go down as the year law and order ended. With that you can add private property rights and basic public services. America is over. Look at what has been going on on 5th Avenue in NYC: random, violent attacks on SUVs, taxis, and pedestrians. No one is safe. America's cities have been literal hellholes. Thanks to BLM and the liberlas who STILL support them.

Left NYC wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:30 am 2020 will go down as the year law and order ended. With that you can add private property rights and basic public services. America is over. Look at what has been going on on 5th Avenue in NYC: random, violent attacks on SUVs, taxis, and pedestrians. No one is safe. America's cities have been literal hellholes. Thanks to BLM and the liberlas who STILL support them.

The protests went away with the cold weather. If the new administration actually listens to the people, they will not restart. From there, we will just have to see if the basic balance between law and order and the looters changes.

Bob Butler wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:01 am

Left NYC wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:30 am 2020 will go down as the year law and order ended. With that you can add private property rights and basic public services. America is over. Look at what has been going on on 5th Avenue in NYC: random, violent attacks on SUVs, taxis, and pedestrians. No one is safe. America's cities have been literal hellholes. Thanks to BLM and the liberlas who STILL support them.

The protests went away with the cold weather. If the new administration actually listens to the people, they will not restart. From there, we will just have to see if the basic balance between law and order and the looters changes.

BLM has tasted power, they will never give it up. Never. Life in America will be like South Africa or Mexico--thanks cucks.

Guest wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:24 amBLM has tasted power, they will never give it up. Never. Life in America will be like South Africa or Mexico--thanks cucks.

The motivation behind BLM is not power, but to protest bad cop racism, and systematic racism. If something is done which satisfies the faults in society involved, the bulk of those involved in the protests will go back to their previous activities.

Some who did find themselves in positions of power and got addicted may find other issues that interest them and attempt to replicate the power experience, but not a lot of issues gather as many protesters as BLM did this summer, and many other issues already have organizers that would have to be displaced.

We will have to see once the weather warms up if protest restarts. I'm not sure Biden is the sort to draw protest. You have to draw attention to unpopular policies. If his policies do become unpopular, the protests will likely be from an entirely different crowd.

Bob Butler wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:09 pm

Guest wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:24 amBLM has tasted power, they will never give it up. Never. Life in America will be like South Africa or Mexico--thanks cucks.

The motivation behind BLM is not power, but to protest bad cop racism, and systematic racism. If something is done which satisfies the faults in society involved, the bulk of those involved in the protests will go back to their previous activities.

Some who did find themselves in positions of power and got addicted may find other issues that interest them and attempt to replicate the power experience, but not a lot of issues gather as many protesters as BLM did this summer, and many other issues already have organizers that would have to be displaced.

We will have to see once the weather warms up if protest restarts. I'm not sure Biden is the sort to draw protest. You have to draw attention to unpopular policies. If his policies do become unpopular, the protests will likely be from an entirely different crowd.

I guess you haven't noiced the exploding crime rates and violence sweeping America. You sound like you are reciting AOC talking points.

The motivation behind BLM is not power, but to protest bad cop racism, and systematic racism.

It was power and a way to enable violent crime to go on with impunity. It worked.
Are you happy now?

Bob Butler wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:09 pm

Guest wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:24 amBLM has tasted power, they will never give it up. Never. Life in America will be like South Africa or Mexico--thanks cucks.

The motivation behind BLM is not power, but to protest bad cop racism, and systematic racism. If something is done which satisfies the faults in society involved, the bulk of those involved in the protests will go back to their previous activities.

Some who did find themselves in positions of power and got addicted may find other issues that interest them and attempt to replicate the power experience, but not a lot of issues gather as many protesters as BLM did this summer, and many other issues already have organizers that would have to be displaced.

We will have to see once the weather warms up if protest restarts. I'm not sure Biden is the sort to draw protest. You have to draw attention to unpopular policies. If his policies do become unpopular, the protests will likely be from an entirely different crowd.

We've got a ripe one here...

Guest wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:25 pmIt was power and a way to enable violent crime to go on with impunity. It worked. Are you happy now?

The situation centered on the Black Lives Matter protests are quite complex. There are many groups involved. Each group has a different motive. Individuals could be mixed, sharing several motives. I have found it best to assume that each group has its stated and obvious motivation. If you don’t try to understand and acknowledge each of these motivations, you don’t understand the situation.

The protesters want to protest. The looters want to loot. The Boogaloo Bois want their boogaloo. The better cops will want to concentrate on those breaking the law and leave those practicing their constitutional rights alone. The bad cops will reverse it. The military learned a bit late that it is not their business to get involved in partisan politics or a fight with the American people. They soon disengaged. The secret police were hired to guard prisons or the borders, and obeyed orders. Still, they ended up caught between a federal government which officially has no police powers and urban governments that do not agree with the federal policies. They too soon withdrew. While most red respect the law, a few militia groups like the Proud Boys invaded black neighborhoods and attempted to instigate violence. Shooting paint guns into crowds from pickup trucks was supposed to be fun. Unfortunately, one of them pulled a knife close to an Antifa person and caught a bullet. Suddenly it wasn’t fun anymore. They too withdrew.

If your own motive is not to understand the situation but to promote an ideological set of beliefs, you can swap motives around. You can trade off matching reality for pushing your world view You can for example claim Black Lives Matter are there to break the law. You can not notice the bogus cops. You can pretend not so notice the red violence. I can’t stop you. You behave as if you have a right to your fantasies. I can call you on it if you indulge in it too blatantly.

But it took a bunch of deaths to make Japan change their culture during and after World War II. The violence has not gotten close to that level. Reds scream and shout and pretend panic over violence that is tiny in comparison to COVID or the number of people involved in the protests. They associate the motives of those that are taking advantage of the protests to the protestors.

I don’t much follow AOC, but do know she is from the inner city and represents the inner city perspective. I’m not surprised that she has a better idea of what is going on than people with a rural perspective and a tendency to fantasize.

Silenced S wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:29 pm Of course, if Biden/Harris are allowed to take power, that's it for America - their administration will see America become China's vassal.

I believe John is grossly underestimating the malevolence of the Deep State and misattributing their actions to incompetence.

The American foreign policy establishment is much more anti-China than you think.

At least half of that establishment sees China as a threat because it occupies part of the "Eurasian Balkans" power void that Zbigniew Brzezinski claimed is the ultimate factor that decides whether the post-Soviet global order is unipolar or bipolar. See his 1997 book "The Grand Chessboard" for more info.

And at least half of that establishment sees China as a threat because it has the potential to displace the dollar as the world's global reserve currency.

Note that both of the above factions see Iran and Russia as threats for the exact same reasons. Why do you think those three countries are always listed as being America's chief enemies in virtually every pro-establishment article? Of course, the authors of those articles are never going to tell you their true motives.

Which begs the questions. Are these threats being exaggerated, if not outright fabricated? And is the foreign policy establishment trying to manufacture excuses for war?