Societal collapse

[Bob Butler]

As usual, I'm with the progressive position, Bidenomics. Invest in working jobs and get a return on the investment. If you are counting on a collapse, if there isn't one you can still run into trouble.

But I'm still dubious about various conservative policies. Putin counting on a war of aggression in the Information Age? Xi making enemies while his decisions lead to economic collapse? Trump thinking himself above the law, and betting the farm on it? Sure, some cultures are heading for collapse, but it is less clear which ones.

[Guest]

Another guest who we can't even guess is different, or who makes any predictions or calls, and is thus unaccountable. Say what you want about my posts, but I'm here, defend my positions, have been right on large scale issues (as above) and am waiting long term for others (btc) for which I will be vindicated. I'm early on the market decline, which I will say if it goes much beyond Q1 of next year, early will have been wrong. But even that depends on if I sell my short positions for a loss, because I can still be a winner if I'm early, as long as the drawdown happens. And it will. The difference is that people act like you can time each position perfectly, which you can't 95% of the time.

Anyone can make a guest account and poke. What I've noticed about guests is that they are the real trolls, since they criticize without any skin in the game or predictions themselves. Anyone can hindsight people and act smart. But what do they lack? They gain nothing because they are too afraid to man up with a prediction. That's why most people are losers; they gain nothing but dopamine hits from anon posting which helps no one - least of all themselves. They are just noise and time wasters.

The Guests crushed you in the Bitcoin thread. With specific predictions. Do you need to be reminded? Is every day a fresh start for you?

[John]

History always begins this morning.

[Cool Breeze]

Especially when you censor or delete it.

[Guest]

Especially when you censor or delete it.

Touché

[Cool Breeze]

Especially when you censor or delete it.

Touché

Thanks for noticing how clever that was, given that is in fact a fact around here, sadly.

[Guest]

Thanks for noticing how clever that was, given that is in fact a fact around here, sadly.

That's why most people are losers; they gain nothing but dopamine hits from anon posting which helps no one - least of all themselves. They are just noise and time wasters.

[JDav]

I don't know how old y'all are, but I remember when I was in elementary school they were talking about the coming ice age. What happened to that? What advances in science occurred that made them realize that the planet was warming and not cooling? I find it either massive hubris or thirst for power that drives all of these modern movements. If you notice, the solution to everything involves giving up our freedoms.

What is Bob Butler doing to save the planet? Do you fly anywhere, Bob? if so, you are a far bigger polluter than I am. How big is your house, Bob? Do you drive a Tesla? If so, it'll take me 8 years of driving to create the carbon footprint that it took just to manufacture your car. But my car doesn't need child and slave labor to produce like the Tesla does. Oh, but that doesn't matter, does it? The only environment and living conditions that matters to you liberals is here in the US. You don't really give a sh*t about people in the rest of the world.

I'm not going to believe or follow anyone's warning about global warming until I see all the liberals practicing what they preach. All you need as evidence is to see where they live - the very places they say will be under water in 10 years. Why would Obama spend $15 million on a house in Martha's Vineyard if it won't be there a few years from now. Because he knows climate change is bullish*t. But he also knows there are plenty of people stupid enough to believe in it.

[Bob Butler]

What is Bob Butler doing to save the planet?

I’m not as deeply researched in global warming as other liberal policies. Thing is, it isn’t theory anymore. Have you noted a few California fires, hurricanes including that which destroyed Lahaina, bleached corals around Florida, and Phoenix cacti dying of heat of all things? If your greed today is greater than your concern for tomorrow, continue to pretend to be blind, If you are really blind to events, I likely won’t be able to convince you anyway.

I don’t fly. My house is small, originally intended as a summer cottage. I don’t drive a Tesla. Your misconceptions of me compares to your other misconceptions.

I am concerned that the global warming propaganda is being written to induce panic rather than strongly state truth. They especially emphasize sea level rise that doesn’t reflect reality, threatening costal cities and places like Martha’s Vineyard. Oh, it seems likely enough to happen, but the speed often quoted seems exaggerated. There are certainly other manifestations that should be emphasized more. But too many people are concerned only with what will happen in their lifetimes, or are counting on development of fusion and other renewables to carry the future. Until something takes off, more action seems advisable, but conservative blindness prevents it.

[JDav]

What is Bob Butler doing to save the planet?

I’m not as deeply researched in global warming as other liberal policies. Thing is, it isn’t theory anymore. Have you noted a few California fires, hurricanes including that which destroyed Lahaina, bleached corals around Florida, and Phoenix cacti dying of heat of all things? If your greed today is greater than your concern for tomorrow, continue to pretend to be blind, If you are really blind to events, I likely won’t be able to convince you anyway.

I don’t fly. My house is small, originally intended as a summer cottage. I don’t drive a Tesla. Your misconceptions of me compares to your other misconceptions.

I am concerned that the global warming propaganda is being written to induce panic rather than strongly state truth. They especially emphasize sea level rise that doesn’t reflect reality, threatening costal cities and places like Martha’s Vineyard. Oh, it seems likely enough to happen, but the speed often quoted seems exaggerated. There are certainly other manifestations that should be emphasized more. But too many people are concerned only with what will happen in their lifetimes, or are counting on development of fusion and other renewables to carry the future. Until something takes off, more action seems advisable, but conservative blindness prevents it.

Bob, I stand corrected. And my apologies to you for jumping to conclusions. That does not change my opinion that the people that are making these claims about the horrors of global warming are not themselves acting on those claims. Maybe they need to burn massive quantities of fossil fuels to warn everyone about the burning of massive quantities of fossil fuels - I don't know. But it's ludicrous on the face of it.

It's a fact that, at any given moment in all of time, the planet faces either global warming or global cooling. You seem to think that somehow man has control of that, even though the climate was changing before man even came on the scene. Me, I believe that it takes tremendous hubris for man to think he somehow has control over God's creation. If there were a nuclear holocaust and all of mankind were destroyed the earth would heal itself over time. Have you ever seen an abandoned house? When I was a kid my grandparents lived in a neat little shack on an acre of open land. Recently, on a trip through that part of rural Georgia I tried to find it. Drove by it three times before I was able to make out its remnants amongst a forest of trees. It only took the earth 40 years to do that - do you really think man is more powerful than that?

I live a simple life, too, so I hope you're not talking about my greed. I raise most of my own food, or buy it locally. I don't travel beyond what is necessary for work and church. I do care about my environment. Good stewardship (including the land) of what God gives us is a part of Catholic teaching.

I think everyone is in agreement that the climate is changing. Until we understand everything there is to know about the sun, air currents, water currents, etc. there's no way you can convince me that man is to blame. We can't even predict the weather from one day to the next. How can we predict global warming, especially since the planet has been cooling over the last few years. You also haven't accounted for the nations that are already fiddling with the weather through cloud seeding, etc. Can you tell me with 100% surety that they are having no impact on climate? Maybe that's the cause of the wildfires, hurricanes, floods, etc. Maybe that's the problem - the hubris of man trying to control God's creation.