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Cool Breeze wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 9:29 pm

spottybrowncow wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:02 pm

Guest wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:13 am This current run-up in civilization was fueled by many unique happenstances that cannot be repeated, such as oil oozing from the ground and huge chunks of copper just lying about. In short, all the low-hanging fruit has been picked, and when this civilization collapses, it will be to a low no more advanced than the 1700's, and will have a difficult time climbing from there.

I don't think it will play out like that, as much as I like "Mad Max." Nuclear energy alone is sustainable for many thousands of years https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... onsumption.
Other technologies will emerge. Things will likely be very different, but we're never going back to the 1700's.

I love the guys on this forum by and large, but they really get some crazy doomzy ideas. Of course, spotty, you are correct.

It is much more likely to go to a regionalized or balkanized world of freedom and local communities (and corresponding leftist cesspools) than civilization "collapsing". If the world is in any way similar, it'll be a slave technocrat world, which I really hope doesn't happen. For that reason, a breakup of the USA would be far preferred, since our Constitution and european/christian backbone to the society has been gone for some time now.

spottybrowncow wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 7:24 am

JCP wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 5:37 am

spottybrowncow wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:02 pm


I don't think it will play out like that, as much as I like "Mad Max." Nuclear energy alone is sustainable for many thousands of years https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... onsumption.
Other technologies will emerge. Things will likely be very different, but we're never going back to the 1700's.

Most of the world is a rolling blackout. Electricity is not guaranteed in most of the world now; why would it be after a collapse? I have lived in countries for months at a time that lacked electricity 90% of the time. The First World is becoming Third World now. Japan and South Korea might have electricity, but most of Africa and Central America won't.

The world will be like it was in 1900; if we are lucky. Really lucky.

No matter how bad it becomes for many / most, there will be "pockets" of relatively plentiful energy and technology, and technology will even continue to advance, although not nearly as quickly as it has for the last hundred years. That is why humanity as a whole is not going "back" to another time - although I expect the first world to shrink quite a bit.

spottybrowncow wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 7:24 am

JCP wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 5:37 am

spottybrowncow wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:02 pm


I don't think it will play out like that, as much as I like "Mad Max." Nuclear energy alone is sustainable for many thousands of years https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... onsumption.
Other technologies will emerge. Things will likely be very different, but we're never going back to the 1700's.

Most of the world is a rolling blackout. Electricity is not guaranteed in most of the world now; why would it be after a collapse? I have lived in countries for months at a time that lacked electricity 90% of the time. The First World is becoming Third World now. Japan and South Korea might have electricity, but most of Africa and Central America won't.

The world will be like it was in 1900; if we are lucky. Really lucky.

No matter how bad it becomes for many / most, there will be "pockets" of relatively plentiful energy and technology, and technology will even continue to advance, although not nearly as quickly as it has for the last hundred years. That is why humanity as a whole is not going "back" to another time - although I expect the first world to shrink quite a bit.

Cool Breeze wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 11:18 am

spottybrowncow wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 7:24 am

JCP wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 5:37 am
Most of the world is a rolling blackout. Electricity is not guaranteed in most of the world now; why would it be after a collapse? I have lived in countries for months at a time that lacked electricity 90% of the time. The First World is becoming Third World now. Japan and South Korea might have electricity, but most of Africa and Central America won't.

The world will be like it was in 1900; if we are lucky. Really lucky.

No matter how bad it becomes for many / most, there will be "pockets" of relatively plentiful energy and technology, and technology will even continue to advance, although not nearly as quickly as it has for the last hundred years. That is why humanity as a whole is not going "back" to another time - although I expect the first world to shrink quite a bit.

Spotty and I are on the same page. I don't know why this place brings out the doom of all dooms. You all should at least read some things presented by Martin Armstrong, who has balance. He knows chicanery and manipulation take place, and conspiracies happen, but doesn't say it's all going to shit like I see every day here. I find it all bizarre that everyone keeps doubling and tripling down on positions over decades - which makes it more likely they will be an even more fervent believer in the quasi religion that is doomsaying.

Guest wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:13 am This current run-up in civilization was fueled by many unique happenstances that cannot be repeated, such as oil oozing from the ground and huge chunks of copper just lying about. In short, all the low-hanging fruit has been picked, and when this civilization collapses, it will be to a low no more advanced than the 1700's, and will have a difficult time climbing from there.

Xeraphim1 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 11:58 am > There has never been an example of a modern society reverting back
> to barbarism so any speculation on what would happen is just that,
> speculation.

> "[Verse 1]
> Southern trees bear a strange fruit
> Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
> Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
> Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees

> [Verse 2]
> Pastoral scene of the gallant south
> The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth
> Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh
> Then the sudden smell of burning flesh

> [Verse 3]
> Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
> For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck
> For the sun to rot, for the tree to drop
> Here is a strange and bitter crop"

Xeraphim1 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 11:58 am

Guest wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:13 am This current run-up in civilization was fueled by many unique happenstances that cannot be repeated, such as oil oozing from the ground and huge chunks of copper just lying about. In short, all the low-hanging fruit has been picked, and when this civilization collapses, it will be to a low no more advanced than the 1700's, and will have a difficult time climbing from there.

While easy access to resources certainly made things easier, the real constraint in advancement was knowledge. As long as that remains intact more difficult to access resources can be dealt with. Even just the knowledge that something has been done before strongly influences advancement since it limits research into dead ends.

There has never been an example of a modern society reverting back to barbarism so any speculation on what would happen is just that, speculation.

It does bring up the issue of future generations being able to access all the information that has been generated. There is a lot that is never printed these days and knowledge locked up in a single offline server might as well not exist.

Cool Breeze wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 11:18 am Spotty and I are on the same page. I don't know why this place brings out the doom of all dooms. You all should at least read some things presented by Martin Armstrong, who has balance. He knows chicanery and manipulation take place, and conspiracies happen, but doesn't say it's all going to shit like I see every day here. I find it all bizarre that everyone keeps doubling and tripling down on positions over decades - which makes it more likely they will be an even more fervent believer in the quasi religion that is doomsaying.

The Coming Dark Age

Blog/Understanding Cycles

Posted Sep 20, 2016 by Martin Armstrong


We are approaching the grave danger of a Dark Age beginning from the aftermath of 2032. Hopefully, I will be gone by then and will not have to face this horrible event. Yet Dark Ages are reoccurring events throughout history and in all cultures. The Greeks endured their between the Homeric Age that marked the end of the Mycenaean civilization around 1100 BC, to the first signs of the Greek cities (poleis) rising again in the 6th century BC (508–322 BC). It was during the 9th century BC (900-801BC) that we begin to see the rise of great cities outside of Greece including Carthage, which was founded by the Phoenicians.

Japan went through its Dark Age, which also lasted about 600 years and the same impact was endured in Europe with the collapse of Rome in 476AD. Dark Ages seem to come in units of 3 so they are 300 or 600 years. The cause is always political corruption.

In the case of Japan, each new emperor devalued the money in circulation with a decree that it was worth 10% of his new coins. There was no intrinsic value since they were bronze or iron. This process led people NOT to hoard money. Chinese coins were sought after since they would not be devalued. Eventually, nobody would accept Japanese coins and they ceased to be issued for 600 years. People used Chinese coins or bags of rice.

The Roman Monetary Crisis that saw silver vanish by 268AD, was naturally followed by an attempt to restore the monetary system. A new bronze coin was introduced in 295AD known as the Follis. Again, one 52 year cycle saw its collapse from over 16 grams to under just 2 grams.

By the time you come toward the very end of the Roman Empire, you rarely find any bronze and when you do, it is less than an American penny. Coinage is debased because of the corruption in government. Those who think restoring the gold standard would do anything are wrong. Such monetary reforms appear repeatedly throughout history with little lasting impact. The system as we know it is always doomed to failure simply because we are satisfied as a whole with bread and circuses and let politicians run wild in their greed. Hillary is the example for everyone to see.

I will gather all the accounts and this is on my bucket-list of books to complete. We do have a choice. We can understand what is coming and WHY, and perhaps take that first step out of darkness and move into the light of a realistic political system that ends the bribing of citizens and this eternal battle of political corruption. We need a REAL democracy without career politicians. Only then can we hope to advance as a society

Guest wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 11:47 am

Cool Breeze wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 11:18 am

spottybrowncow wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 7:24 am


No matter how bad it becomes for many / most, there will be "pockets" of relatively plentiful energy and technology, and technology will even continue to advance, although not nearly as quickly as it has for the last hundred years. That is why humanity as a whole is not going "back" to another time - although I expect the first world to shrink quite a bit.

Spotty and I are on the same page. I don't know why this place brings out the doom of all dooms. You all should at least read some things presented by Martin Armstrong, who has balance. He knows chicanery and manipulation take place, and conspiracies happen, but doesn't say it's all going to shit like I see every day here. I find it all bizarre that everyone keeps doubling and tripling down on positions over decades - which makes it more likely they will be an even more fervent believer in the quasi religion that is doomsaying.

Easy. The countries I grew up in and have lived in on and off throughout my life have changed radically in the last 30 years. They did not change much at all in the lifetimes of my grandparents and great grandparents. They have told me so. Do not tell me not to worry when the house I grew up in is now surrounded by black and brown people who attempt to harm me at every turn. We used to sleep with our windows open in the 1980s in summer. That is no longer possible. And you tell me that people like me are just doomsayers? Were the Byzantines only doomsayers in 1453?