Xeraphim1 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:40 pm
Guest wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:42 am
Navigator wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:31 pm
So at the start of the coming war, we are going to be led by people in the "below average" intellectual category. It is going to be as bad as the Union efforts in the first couple of years of the US Civil War.
I don't know if we could survive losing the opening battles of WW3.
I see so much of this attitude, mostly by anonymous posters. The thing is, do you really think it's better anywhere else? The two largest threats to the US are:
1. Russia which is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country. There are US states with higher GDPs than all of Russia which has a declining tech base and uncertain (at best) military leadership.
2. A Communist dictatorship with all the loss of military efficiency that entails. Do you think military leadership in China is based on efficiency and intelligence or political reliability?
And Navigator isn't really correct since just about anyone in the US military is intellectually above average; you have to be just to get in. I believe the percentage of people eligible for enlistment is less than 15%. I don't know anything about the general in question, but you shouldn't automatically disparage someone because of a music degree. While it isn't math or engineering, it also isn't ethnic gender studies. Furthermore, the US military is a really big organization and the ability of one person to poison the well is minimal.
While I do share the sentiment that the Pentagon is overly politicized, I also recognize that this certainly isn't the first time it's happened and that top leadership there is much like top leadership anywhere else. The real work is done at much lower levels.
I certainly have in no way suggested, or even intimated, that Russian or Chinese military commanders are better than those of the US. In fact, I agree with you that they have probably also expunged their senior ranks of highly intelligent forward thinking people.
To the next point: You don't have to be very intelligent to get into the US military. You can't be a complete dunce, but the bar is pretty low for intelligence. What keeps most people out are - overweight , lack of physical fitness, a criminal record.
I am sure that LTG Mingus was a great platoon leader and even a great battalion commander. Past that level, the need for "smarts" is on the upside of a parabolic curve. While having a music degree doesn't mean you aren't smart (I am married to someone with music degrees), the fact that he has one, and went to a rather lackluster university (which I also am assuming is the best he could get into) means to me that he is one of the group of people who just "got any degree" to go into the military. This of course is not a bad thing. And, like I said, that doesn't mean he's a bad soldier. I am sure he was great at the lower command ranks. It is just that now he is in a position requiring a high level of intelligence and the ability to quickly do complex thinking. (more to follow)
Next point: The well can indeed be poisoned by a single person at or near the top of the military. Here is a short list of examples:
McClellin - the US Civil War ends in 1862 if he isn't around (btw, he was intelligent, just not fit for command, especially a senior command)
Von Molke the Second - Botches the German invasion of France in 1914.
Samsonov - Gets his entire Russian Army surrounded in the first few weeks of WW1.
Any Russian Army Commander in 1941 - the Germans completely destroy them while Russians have a minimum of 3:1 advantage IN DEFENSE.
Admiral Christie - Involved in development of the non-functional US WW2 torpedo. Then stonewalls efforts to fix it during the war. Takes 2 years to sort out what the problem is and fix it.
Gen Fredendall - Disastrous plans and leadership in early WW2 battle of Kassarine Pass. The guy Patton replaces at the start of the movie
Patton.
It is true that American general leadership is no worse than elsewhere. This is fitting since we are about to go through a high tech version of World War One. It takes years for the government/establishment to sort through the General ranks and find competent people. This is the same in almost every war. The US was blessed in WW2 with Gen Marshall, who sorted through the senior ranks before the war, and mostly got competent people to the top. Fredendall was his biggest mistake, but Marshall fixed this quickly. We don't have a Marshall right now. And we certainly don't have a Lincoln, who had to do the sorting during the Civil War (and eventually got Grant/Sherman). What we have is the equivalent of British leadership in WW1. This is NOT a good thing. We are about to have a similar experience.