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DaKardii wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:02 pm > The Ukrainian government is now saying that a Russian invasion is
> NOT imminent, despite Biden's claims to the contrary.

> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ukrai ... -concerned
> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... riefing-11

> What the hell is going on?

John wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:14 pm
It's the same today in Washington, with many people concerned about a
Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and others (Democrats, facebook, google,
mainstream media) who are making a great deal of money by being paid
off by the Chinese Communists and who consider China's atrocities and
threats to be unimportant.

John wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:14 pm There's a split in the Ukrainian government, with some people
concerned about a Russian invasion, and others claiming (possibly
because they're Russian sympathizers) that the Russians are bluffing.
Nobody really knows except Putin.

It was the same as the split between Churchill and Chamberlain in 1939
Britain.

It's the same today in Washington, with many people concerned about a
Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and others (Democrats, facebook, google,
mainstream media) who are making a great deal of money by being paid
off by the Chinese Communists and who consider China's atrocities and
threats to be unimportant.

DaKardii wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:25 am

John wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:14 pm There's a split in the Ukrainian government, with some people
concerned about a Russian invasion, and others claiming (possibly
because they're Russian sympathizers) that the Russians are bluffing.
Nobody really knows except Putin.

It was the same as the split between Churchill and Chamberlain in 1939
Britain.

It's the same today in Washington, with many people concerned about a
Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and others (Democrats, facebook, google,
mainstream media) who are making a great deal of money by being paid
off by the Chinese Communists and who consider China's atrocities and
threats to be unimportant.

What's REALLY bizarre is Biden's rhetoric over the past few days.

Not even a week ago, he was going off about "minor incursions," angering Zelensky and forcing Biden's own staff to issue a retraction.

And now, we have Biden insisting on an imminent invasion, and Zelensky is trying to downplay those remarks in order to prevent mass panic and a subsequent economic collapse.

Either way, we have a recurring theme. Biden can't stay on the same page as Zelensky. He's always either reading behind or reading ahead.

I can't tell if this is a sign that Biden's mental decline has gotten worse, or if this is just more intentional sabotage of American foreign policy like what we saw during the Afghanistan withdrawal.

John wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:14 pm ** 25-Jan-2022 World View: Split in Ukranian government

DaKardii wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:02 pm > The Ukrainian government is now saying that a Russian invasion is
> NOT imminent, despite Biden's claims to the contrary.

> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ukrai ... -concerned
> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... riefing-11

> What the hell is going on?

There's a split in the Ukrainian government, with some people
concerned about a Russian invasion, and others claiming (possibly
because they're Russian sympathizers) that the Russians are bluffing.
Nobody really knows except Putin.

It was the same as the split between Churchill and Chamberlain in 1939
Britain.

It's the same today in Washington, with many people concerned about a
Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and others (Democrats, facebook, google,
mainstream media) who are making a great deal of money by being paid
off by the Chinese Communists and who consider China's atrocities and
threats to be unimportant.

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:05 am

John wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:14 pm ** 25-Jan-2022 World View: Split in Ukranian government

DaKardii wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:02 pm > The Ukrainian government is now saying that a Russian invasion is
> NOT imminent, despite Biden's claims to the contrary.

> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ukrai ... -concerned
> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... riefing-11

> What the hell is going on?

There's a split in the Ukrainian government, with some people
concerned about a Russian invasion, and others claiming (possibly
because they're Russian sympathizers) that the Russians are bluffing.
Nobody really knows except Putin.

It was the same as the split between Churchill and Chamberlain in 1939
Britain.

It's the same today in Washington, with many people concerned about a
Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and others (Democrats, facebook, google,
mainstream media) who are making a great deal of money by being paid
off by the Chinese Communists and who consider China's atrocities and
threats to be unimportant.

John, how much do you think the swamp/Military Industrial Complex influences a loser like Biden to make war look attractive and urge him to "declare" Y against nation Z? On a scale of 1-10 how pro war is the US currently (cabinet, DoD and bureaucrats), all things considered?

Trevor wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:11 am I don't think Putin can afford to back down. If he does, he's going to look weak back home. Even if we did make some form of agreement to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, I doubt it'll matter. At most, it might postpone invasion for a year or two, allowing him to ensure Europe wouldn't do anything about it. I have my doubts about even punishing sanctions deterring him, since China's currently still open to Russian markets.

Nobody wants to get involved here, because after all, why should we care about Ukraine? Our humiliation in Afghanistan and increasing "woke" politics has pretty well shattered the high opinion of our military that existed even a few years ago. Nevertheless, I'd still rate our capabilities above that of Russia.

I suspect Biden is in desperate need of a win. Polls have him at the low 40s or even 30s, worse than Trump with a much friendlier media. The price of food has skyrocketed, the price of gas has skyrocketed, Afghanistan is now controlled by the Taliban, Covid continues to ravage the country, crime is through the roof, and all but the safest Democrats are distancing themselves from him. Problem is, this is more likely to turn into another humiliation for him.

We have two unpleasant choices before us. Either we send troops to Europe, possibly getting involved in a war with a major power, or we make symbolic actions that only encourages Putin to go further. If I was Xi Jinping, I'd be looking at the U.S. and wonder: would they really do anything to protect Taiwan? Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea has to be asking the same thing.

Guest wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:09 am Just think: we could see the biggest war in Europe since 1945 because too many Americans were schooled by their media to think Trump was the Antichrist and Biden was a better choice.
It's a salutary lesson that should warn us in Britain to treat with extreme prejudice the hate-driven media witch-hunt against our (admittedly flawed) prime minister.