Financial topics

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at99sy
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Re: Financial topics

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Higgenbotham wrote:
The problem in my mind boils down to the same problem many of the Boomers and X'ers have. Obama doesn't want to do his job and doesn't know how to do his job. If Congress doesn't raise the debt limit, his job is to balance the budget and he doesn't know how to balance a budget. Obama has admitted on national television that he can't help his daughter with 7th grade math. How would he ever be able to balance the federal budget?

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Quite right. My almost 9 y/o understands basic finances better than the idiots leading us over the cliff. When she wants something that costs more than she has available she knows she has to save up for it and by reducing the little she does spend elsewhere she can reach that goal quicker. She generates her own cash by making bracelets and selling them at craft fairs locally. Half goes right into savings and the other half is hers to do as she pleases. The half she keeps goes towards buying more materials also.
My econ students understand it in a matter of seconds when asked, "if your revenues are capped and cannot be increased, yet your expenses exceed those revenues, what is the simplest way to achieve balance?" duh! cut your expenses.

the best solutions are usually the simplest. And how many welfare rats are not getting their guvment checks due to the "shutdown?" LMFAO
who's the sucker?

we are

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Marc wrote: As a way around the impasse, I do wonder what would happen if Obama decided to "mint that platinum coin" :twisted: (Fourth Turning Regeneracy, maybe?!?) —Regards/Peace, Marc
I think in all historic cases where the government had a central bank controlling the money supply and took over the control of the central bank or just started printing and spending money that they got hyperinflation. In any case, that is what I would expect.
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I think we agree here that the first sign that a general crisis is ready to erupt would be trouble in the financial system and particularly the stock market. Given that assumption, what might we see first as an early warning sign that the stock market is in trouble? There are some standard technical "indicators" that I mentioned the weekend after the September 19 high, but what might be seen beyond that?

First, let's list some things that we know:

1. The Dow 30 Industrials have generally outperformed all of the other indices since the top of the 2000 and 2007 bubbles, both within the United States and worldwide (there are some exceptions like the Russell 2000).
2. Wealth is concentrating in the top 0.10% of the population worldwide while at the same time wealth has been moving from the periphery to the center (to the United States, specifically New York City and Washington DC), geographically speaking. This is consistent with the strength seen in the Dow for the past 13 years.
3. Bernanke has been printing money and giving it to US mega-corporations, either directly or through subsidies like food stamps, which mostly end up in the pockets of mega-corporations anyway. This is consistent with the strength seen in the Dow for the past 5 years.
4. The US has an entrenched system of corruption whereby there is a revolving door between the Washington and mega-corporate bureaucracies, and lobbyists for mega-corporations get laws they have written in their favor passed by a corrupt Congress. This is consistent with the strength seen in the Dow for the past 13 years.
5. The big insider money tends to be concentrated in the shares of the largest corporations, specifically the Dow 30 stocks (think Warren Buffett and Kraft, IBM, etc).
6. The Dow 30 stocks have a larger percentage of sales outside the United States than the general US market.
7. Stock buying on margin has accelerated to record levels. It is easier to push up the prices of the shares of small thinly traded and speculative stocks with margin buying. And big smart money doesn't chase stocks with margin.
8. When a bubble is nearing an end, the big smart money gets out first. When the bubble popped in 2000, the Dow topped in January while the S&P and Nasdaq topped in March.

The first 5 items in the above list appear to be ongoing and would still benefit the Dow 30 stocks over other US based stocks, as represented by the S&P 500 and Nasdaq indices, while the last 3 items would not benefit the Dow 30 stocks over other stocks. Of course, there are probably many items I missed or forgot. If a tipping point has been reached whereby the trend has reversed and the last 3 items are overpowering the first 5, the Dow stocks ahould become weaker, and this is in fact has been happening recently, most noticeably at the end of last week. Last I will post some charts showing this.

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Right or wrong?
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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The Dow 30

American Express Company
The Boeing Company
Caterpillar Inc.
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Chevron Corporation
E. I. du Pont de Nemours and Company
The Walt Disney Company
General Electric Company
The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
The Home Depot, Inc.
International Business Machines Corporation
Intel Corporation
Johnson & Johnson
JPMorgan Chase & Co.
The Coca-Cola Company
McDonald's Corp.
3M Company
Merck & Co. Inc.
Microsoft Corporation
Nike, Inc.
Pfizer Inc.
The Procter & Gamble Company
AT&T, Inc.
The Travelers Companies, Inc.
UnitedHealth Group Incorporated
United Technologies Corp.
Visa Inc.
Verizon Communications Inc.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
Exxon Mobil Corporation
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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Consumer stocks in the Dow 30
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Big oil stocks in the Dow 30
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Telecommunications stocks in the Dow 30
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Retail in the Dow 30
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One technology company out of several in the Dow 30 is showing weakness. Microsoft and Cisco aren't doing great, but they are not as weak as the rest of the stocks shown.
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Are these the stocks that should be leading the move down? Why or why not?
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-se ... le/2536862

My first thought was the 80 -20 rule and locally talking to folks they missed the context
of the message as a few others forwarded to me in advance on how more will go backwards
and words will be interpeted for simple aims of abuse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
Watching the growth locally and in other counties is gaining some limited traction but ongoing.
What people miss at times is twenty percent fix eighty percent of the problems anyway.
The best friend some may think is confusion and how other do take advantage.
More to the point as they claim never let a crisis go to waste.
Waste is the true enemy and the destroyer of Worlds.
Animal spirits for abuse and profit since as the book of Judges
warn us what surfaces when all did was right in there own eyes.
It is a Book of calamity on how they forget and can decend.

https://personal.vanguard.com/us/insigh ... Channel=AN

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-0 ... m-not-bust
However, this time there are no arrows left in the government’s quiver. For those with a eye undestand that saying clearly.

http://domemagazine.com/lessenberry/jl092713 A few points I can view but the rest is cat herding and myopic pandering lately....
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Re: Financial topics

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To calculate the DJIA, the sum of the prices of all 30 stocks is divided by a divisor, the Dow Divisor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_ ... alculation
To calculate the value of the S&P 500 Index, the sum of the adjusted market capitalization of all 500 stocks is divided by a factor, usually referred to as the Divisor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500#Calculation

Since the Dow is based only on price and is not market cap weighted, it looks like the price drops of IBM, Exxon, Chevron and McDonald's are having the biggest impact, with IBM having the most impact. Therefore we have a lot of consumer based companies having an impact. At the same time, IBM is the odd stock in the list of weak companies because it is not consumer based, but it is having the most impact on the Dow average of any individual stock.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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