Maximum Ruin Scenario for the Stock Market
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:58 pm
I moved this post from the other thread to its own topic.
Here's a scenario I've thought of that combines several thoughts that have been posted in various topics in this forum: Maximum Ruin, stop losses, shorts getting paid, flash crash, real value of the stock market, etc.
First a couple thoughts.
Yes, short term the stock market is a game but long term it is not. Long term, stock prices are based on underlying value but as we all are finding out the market can ignore underlying value for what seems like an eternity. While not a fan of Buffett, I think he put this idea best: "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term it is a weighing machine."
In 1857, there was a generational panic and big recovery, but what is little known is there was a less severe panic in 1859. This would also fit somewhat into scenarios that have been discussed. It's also interesting in that the common wisdom today is back to back panics never happen, so it's impossible for another panic to occur at this time.
Let's say a more serious flash crash were to occur for whatever reason. Nobody really knows why the last one occurred anyway so consistent with that there doesn't have to be a reason. Stop loss orders get hit, blah, blah, and the S&P ends up down 400 points within one or a few days. Complete chaos and everyone is worried it's the big one. The shorts are looking left and looking right and saying, you know what, I'd better cover these shorts right here because if I don't the exchange may go bankrupt and I may not get paid. So all of a sudden a massive short covering rally takes off and drives the index back up to close to where the panic started. Before the public is done blinking in amazement, their stop loss orders have been hit near the lows or they have panicked out, and they have lost 1/3 of the value of their holdings once again. They blame the "Government Sachs" manipulators for it, riot in the streets, and want nothing to do with the stock market for the rest of their lives. The HFT machines are immediately ordered shut down, Bernanke is kicked out, and Glass Steagall is reinstated. Then the market begins a long, slow, steady 5-10 year grind down to real value.
Here's a scenario I've thought of that combines several thoughts that have been posted in various topics in this forum: Maximum Ruin, stop losses, shorts getting paid, flash crash, real value of the stock market, etc.
First a couple thoughts.
Yes, short term the stock market is a game but long term it is not. Long term, stock prices are based on underlying value but as we all are finding out the market can ignore underlying value for what seems like an eternity. While not a fan of Buffett, I think he put this idea best: "In the short term the market is a voting machine, in the long term it is a weighing machine."
In 1857, there was a generational panic and big recovery, but what is little known is there was a less severe panic in 1859. This would also fit somewhat into scenarios that have been discussed. It's also interesting in that the common wisdom today is back to back panics never happen, so it's impossible for another panic to occur at this time.
Let's say a more serious flash crash were to occur for whatever reason. Nobody really knows why the last one occurred anyway so consistent with that there doesn't have to be a reason. Stop loss orders get hit, blah, blah, and the S&P ends up down 400 points within one or a few days. Complete chaos and everyone is worried it's the big one. The shorts are looking left and looking right and saying, you know what, I'd better cover these shorts right here because if I don't the exchange may go bankrupt and I may not get paid. So all of a sudden a massive short covering rally takes off and drives the index back up to close to where the panic started. Before the public is done blinking in amazement, their stop loss orders have been hit near the lows or they have panicked out, and they have lost 1/3 of the value of their holdings once again. They blame the "Government Sachs" manipulators for it, riot in the streets, and want nothing to do with the stock market for the rest of their lives. The HFT machines are immediately ordered shut down, Bernanke is kicked out, and Glass Steagall is reinstated. Then the market begins a long, slow, steady 5-10 year grind down to real value.