Societal collapse

John
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I would request that you stop making racist posts. Nobody appreciates
having a racist like you as a forum member.

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John wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:20 pm
I would request that you stop making racist posts. Nobody appreciates having a racist like you as a forum member.
I assume you are talking to me? I have not been advocating one ethnic group as superior or inferior to another. I have been pointing out that the Republicans are on the wrong end of this not-a-crisis as they are associated with certain unpopular opinions. Problems should be solved. People should be equal under law. I think this has been said often enough that I hopefully don't have to say it much more, but a lot of people consider such beliefs clownish.

I consider them American.

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Yes I was talking to you. The worst racists are the racists who think
they aren't racists, and who spread their hatred through sophistry, as
you do.

By the way, if you don't like where I moved your post, you can delete
it yourself, which would be just as well.

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John wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:14 pm
Yes I was talking to you. The worst racists are the racists who think they aren't racists, and who spread their hatred through sophistry, as you do.
Americans have oppressed immigrants for quite a while. It is still going on. Where there is oppression, there are generally oppressors. Lately I have encountered those who have redefined things to label those fighting the oppression as bad guys. I would rate those people as worse.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:43 pm
John wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:14 pm
Yes I was talking to you. The worst racists are the racists who think they aren't racists, and who spread their hatred through sophistry, as you do.
Americans have oppressed immigrants for quite a while. It is still going on. Where there is oppression, there are generally oppressors. Lately I have encountered those who have redefined things to label those fighting the oppression as bad guys. I would rate those people as worse.
Yes, I agree with you completely Bob, there IS oppression - always has been throughout history, can't imagine a scenario where there won't always be.

But guess what, Bob? There is less oppression in the United States of America now than there has probably has ever been in any such multiracial (if you believe in race) country ever to have existed. Should we raze the country to the ground and start anew? Should we throw out the principles and traditions which have gotten us to be the greatest country in the history of the world, and replace them with the practices of our would-be successors, the CCP, favored by our liberal friends? I personally don't think so. There's always room for improvement, and good people agree we should work to that end, but only in extreme, dire (dare I say unprecedented in terms of EVIL) circumstances, should we throw the baby out with the bathwater.

On another note, a friend of many years told me today his good friend in Detroit called him before the November election to tell him he had received in the mail, completely unsolicited, 6 ballots, one for every member of his family, including his four minor kids. He was shocked - mostly, because there was nothing to stop him from filling them all out and mailing them in. Nothing to stop him, of course, except his personal integrity. I have to hand it to our liberal friends, they HAVE perfected the art of stealing elections, and that's why "all us dumbass uneducated reds" are so upset. Under the guise of "extraordinary Covid circumstances" or "ending voter suppression," pick whatever excuse you want, they have made it INCREDIBLY EASY FOR DISHONEST PEOPLE TO CHEAT. And who has that benefitted?

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:43 pm
Yes, I agree with you completely Bob, there IS oppression - always has been throughout history, can't imagine a scenario where there won't always be.

But guess what, Bob? There is less oppression in the United States of America now than there has probably has ever been in any such multiracial (if you believe in race) country ever to have existed. Should we raze the country to the ground and start anew?
I can agree to not throwing away the baby with the bathwater. Thing is, in the last three crisis we have managed to avoid that. A crisis comes along. (And I am going to ignore John’s claim that this is not a crisis. The other turning sites disagree.) The worst problems facing the US are solved. That generally involves purging that element that has perpetuated the worst problems. As the conservative faction has always been the one that need purging, it will be up to you guys to retain what is best about conservative thought while purging the worst.

If the problems are COVID, the economic ruin it brought, the murdering bad cops, the other systematic racism elements, then Trump did not act on the crisis problems and as a result lost enough popularity to lose the election.

Mind you, as in the Georgia runoffs, it was pretty (expletive deleted) close.

It is a common shtick to say a problem has always existed, thus always will. King will always rule. No experimenting with this new democracy thing. All civilizations are built on the cornerstone of slavery. Always will. The government has no authority to regulate the economy, never has needed to, and never will. Periodic depressions getting ever worse can be ignored. The US should not get involved in foreign wars. Containment? No need.

One faction does not see the need to change. Gee, who would that be this time? Who would be perpetuating the problems, obstructing the solutions?

But always when getting rid of the bathwater, we have found a way to save the baby. No need to dump the poor kid this time either. After today’s capitol riots, I am more than ever convinced that there is some dirty bathwater to be gotten rid of. We have to do something about political factions creating a false narrative, of convincing folks that the situation is not as it really is.

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