by Guest » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:05 am
Bob Butler wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:04 pm
Guest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm
How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?
Absurdly few. I retired before the MAGA movement. In a tourist area of a blue state, no one much talks politics from a red perspective. My current once a week cleaner is a Trump fan, but I kind of crushed her when she tried to defend it. I imagine there are others, but few seem eager to argue politics in real life.
Do you bump into and hold discussions with progressives?
Is it fair to say that one person plus msnbc and the mainstream media form your opinion of Trump supporters? That would explain things.
I actually do talk to progressives quite a bit. My sisters for starters. Several women I’ve dated in the past few years. Friends and coworkers. A good friend who despises Trump. I live in a blue-ish metro area in a red state and my county of half a million votes about 50/50 each way. For most of the progressives I know, their views aren’t quite as extreme as yours and most of the time if we talk politics it’s only briefly because people are so entrenched with their viewpoints no one is going to change their minds. No point in it ruining relationships over that.
And I still get along with them just fine, almost all of them are good people who mean well but form their opinions from far left biased news sources. I realize there are plenty of right wing biased news sources as well, all news should be viewed with skepticism. Many are compassionate people but extremely gullible. Mostly that’s the women which is what makes up most of the progressive base. The progressive men I know are wealthy - lawyers, investment bankers, medical specialists, etc. they vote blue because they know the democrats look out for them and their industries.
A lot of people in general in my area are now seeing how democrat policy is playing out in real life (general inflation, housing inflation, worsening public education, reduced services for the poor, homelessness, endless war) and changing their minds without debating anyone. They’re being affected in real life. Many still don’t make the connection though and will continue to vote blue. As for my sister, I suspect if the democrats in charge ramp up the Ukraine war to the point of drafting her military age son and daughter, she might reconsider her vote. She’s a one per center though so life is good for her under Biden.
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[quote=Guest post_id=87575 time=1718591356]How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?
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Absurdly few. I retired before the MAGA movement. In a tourist area of a blue state, no one much talks politics from a red perspective. My current once a week cleaner is a Trump fan, but I kind of crushed her when she tried to defend it. I imagine there are others, but few seem eager to argue politics in real life.
Do you bump into and hold discussions with progressives?
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Is it fair to say that one person plus msnbc and the mainstream media form your opinion of Trump supporters? That would explain things.
I actually do talk to progressives quite a bit. My sisters for starters. Several women I’ve dated in the past few years. Friends and coworkers. A good friend who despises Trump. I live in a blue-ish metro area in a red state and my county of half a million votes about 50/50 each way. For most of the progressives I know, their views aren’t quite as extreme as yours and most of the time if we talk politics it’s only briefly because people are so entrenched with their viewpoints no one is going to change their minds. No point in it ruining relationships over that.
And I still get along with them just fine, almost all of them are good people who mean well but form their opinions from far left biased news sources. I realize there are plenty of right wing biased news sources as well, all news should be viewed with skepticism. Many are compassionate people but extremely gullible. Mostly that’s the women which is what makes up most of the progressive base. The progressive men I know are wealthy - lawyers, investment bankers, medical specialists, etc. they vote blue because they know the democrats look out for them and their industries.
A lot of people in general in my area are now seeing how democrat policy is playing out in real life (general inflation, housing inflation, worsening public education, reduced services for the poor, homelessness, endless war) and changing their minds without debating anyone. They’re being affected in real life. Many still don’t make the connection though and will continue to vote blue. As for my sister, I suspect if the democrats in charge ramp up the Ukraine war to the point of drafting her military age son and daughter, she might reconsider her vote. She’s a one per center though so life is good for her under Biden.