by Reality Check » Mon May 13, 2013 1:15 pm
John wrote:
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The citizens of Otranto, with the tales of horror of the fall of Constantinople still fresh in their minds, realized that they were vastly outnumbered, and surrendered. According to Catholic accounts, the Ottomans segregated the women and children, who became slaves, from the men. Some 800 men were ordered to convert to Islam. They refused, and proclaimed that they would die for Christ. On August 14, 1480, the men were beaten and decapitated, one by one, in full view of the others, and then put into a mass grave. According to Catholic history, not only did they become martyrs, but their actions were a miracle, because they also saved Rome from capture by the Ottomans, since they forced a delay that gave the Italian troops in Rome time to prepare. Mehmet the Conqueror died on May 3, 1481, and is thought to have been poisoned.
Not surprisingly, parts of the Catholic accounts are disputed by Muslim scholars, who describe the actions of Mehmet much more charitably, both in Otranto and in Constantinople. Of significance today is that Muslims view this mass canonization as a new anti-Islam attack by the Catholics.
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What part of the account do Muslim scholars dispute ?
That the city was attacked ?
That the city surrendered ?
That the Muslims were somehow justified in be-heading the the men because their religion offended Muslims ?
Details mater.
Putting anonymous scholars with undisclosed narratives on the same footing as the formal Beatification process is unprofessional and wrong, on so many levels.
[quote="John"]
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The citizens of Otranto, with the tales of horror of the fall of Constantinople still fresh in their minds, realized that they were vastly outnumbered, and surrendered. According to Catholic accounts, the Ottomans segregated the women and children, who became slaves, from the men. Some 800 men were ordered to convert to Islam. They refused, and proclaimed that they would die for Christ. On August 14, 1480, the men were beaten and decapitated, one by one, in full view of the others, and then put into a mass grave. According to Catholic history, not only did they become martyrs, but their actions were a miracle, because they also saved Rome from capture by the Ottomans, since they forced a delay that gave the Italian troops in Rome time to prepare. Mehmet the Conqueror died on May 3, 1481, and is thought to have been poisoned.
Not surprisingly, parts of the Catholic accounts are disputed by Muslim scholars, who describe the actions of Mehmet much more charitably, both in Otranto and in Constantinople. Of significance today is that Muslims view this mass canonization as a new anti-Islam attack by the Catholics.
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What part of the account do Muslim scholars dispute ?
That the city was attacked ?
That the city surrendered ?
That the Muslims were somehow justified in be-heading the the men because their religion offended Muslims ?
Details mater.
Putting anonymous scholars with undisclosed narratives on the same footing as the formal Beatification process is unprofessional and wrong, on so many levels.