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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:11 pm

No surprise that the Iranians will move to close the Straights of Hormuz. This has always been their big card. It will require a land response, as in landing a division of US Marines. It will also require a large naval response, as part of the Iranian play will be to deploy mines. So the US will have to engage in minesweeping operations along most of the Persian Gulf (not just the Straits). Oh, and we will have to sink anything Iranian that floats (to prevent any kind of "bomb" boat threat to oil tankers. This could mean US Navy protected oil convoys out of the Gulf.

This should have all been foreseeable by military planners, and we should have plans in motion to handle these things. The problem is that it won't be quick. A large amount US Navy assets are going to have to be committed, and this will further dilute their Pacific Ocean presence (further emboldening China)

All of this would have had to have been done at some point. The Iranians would have just gotten stronger if we/Israel had not done this, and I cannot imagine how bad it would be for the Ayatollah to have a nuke. (The analogy is that Hitler would have to be fought at some point. If Britain/France had backed down over Poland, he would have eventually started WW2 from a much stronger position. In 1939, the German Navy had less than 40 operational U-boats. The German Army had fewer and, on average, less effective tanks than the French. The German plan had been to start the war in 1943. At that point, unmolested in a buildup, they may have been unstoppable.)

There is ZERO hope of negotiating with the fanatical Iranian clerics. The literally believe that the "12th Imam" is going to come back from "suspended animation" to save them, no matter what the odds, or how bad their military defeats are. The only way to handle this is to not only kill the head Ayatollah, but a LARGE number of the clerical leadership, and to forcibly remove them from positions of power.

Next point is that only Iranians can really effect regime/culture change in Iran. And, as has been pointed out, a counter-revolution would have to take place. And this can only happen if there is an organized and supplied military resistance. This also requires US land forces along the Iranian coast, so that rebels could be supplied with arms.

BTW, while I am glad that the BBC found a lot of anti-Regime voices in Iran. Hopefully they didn't just find English speakers. The 45 years of Islamic theocracy has certainly embittered the great majority of Iranians. I did read about a government mouthpiece trying to get a soccer crowd in Iran to chant "Death to Israel", and instead they started chanting "Death to Gaza and Hezbollah".

Meanwhile, disruption or even just viable threats to shipping in the Persian Gulf is going to cause MAJOR economic disruption around the globe.

AND, escalation of the conflict in Iran is going to send the Left in the US into hyper-drive. There are going to be large scale anti-war demonstrations. Trump Derangement Syndrome will escalate to anti-Vietnam war levels and beyond. At the same time, we will have a major economic downturn, which will also be blamed on Trump. It will look like the US is actually descending into a civil war. At that point, the Chinese will make their move.

An unsettling message from former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev

by DaKardii » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:45 pm

Per his Twitter:
https://x.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/19 ... 4017567860
What have the Americans accomplished with their nighttime strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran?

1. Critical infrastructure of the nuclear fuel cycle appears to have been unaffected or sustained only minor damage.

2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.

3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.

4. Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.

5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.

6. Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.

7. The people are rallying around the country’s spiritual leadership, including those who were previously indifferent or opposed to it.

8. Donald Trump, once hailed as ‘president of peace,’ has now pushed the US into another war.

9. The vast majority of countries around the world oppose the actions of Israel and the United States.

10. At this rate, Trump can forget about the Nobel Peace Prize — not even with how rigged it has become. What a way to kick things off, Mr. President. Congratulations!

Gas Prices

by DaKardii » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:20 pm

Iran's parliament just voted to close the Strait of Hormuz. The Supreme Leader likely will ratify by midnight Tehran time, or 4:30 PM EST.

Get gas NOW.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by tim » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:48 am

I don't suspect China is going to attack Taiwan only be to drawn into another slow grind like Russia in Ukraine with the U.S.

The coming Chinese surprise attack on America might be a missile attack, drone attack, or something from space.
Secondary criteria indicating a crisis war

The following are secondary criteria that identify crisis wars:

Secret mobilization. Example: Germany in 1930s. A country that mobilizes for war in secret is usually preparing to strike first in a crisis war. Why? Because secret mobilization requires the cooperation of a great deal of the public, and indicates very broad support for the impending war.
Surprise attack on enemy. Related to the previous point is that a surprise attack on an adversary usually indicates a crisis war.

"Spiraling out of control". Examples: Rwanda, 1994; French Revolution Reign of Terror, 1792. If a war, especially a civil war, seems to spring from nowhere, it almost always indicates widespread public desire for war and vengeance.

Refusal to surrender. Example: Germany 1944. If a nation continues fighting even when defeat is clearly unavoidable, it's most likely a crisis war.
The secondary criteria alone do not indicate a crisis war. For example, some non-crisis wars are surprise attacks.

Re: The US has bombed Iran.

by tim » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:44 am

DaKardii wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:40 pmNow what?
https://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg ... tmodel.htm
Criteria indicating crisis war

A crisis war is like a ball rolling downhill, usually over a period 5-10 years long. It may (or may not) need a push to start, and it may be temporary stopped by obstacles on the way down. But eventually it starts gathering an enormous amount of energy, and at some point its momentum becomes so great that it's unstoppable, until it reaches the bottom of the hill in an explosive climax that forever changes the landscape.

The rolling ball analogy can be used only so far, but it represents something real: A steadily increasing anxiety on the part of the people fighting the war, an increasing hatred of the enemy, an increasing desire for genocidal vengeance, and a willingness to risk everything for total victory.

To understand the emotion behind a crisis war, you have to think about wars where this kind of energy was displayed: Think of the early 1990s Balkans, where the Serbs pursued massive ethnic cleansing (mass murdering the men, mass raping the women) of the Croats and the Bosnians; think of the 1994 Rwanda war, where Hutus murdered and dismembered a million Tutsis in a three month period; think of President Truman's vengeful statement after a nuclear weapon had destroyed a Japanese city; think of the mass murder and mass destruction of an entire region when General Sherman marched his troops through Georgia near the end of the Civil War.

A crisis war may start out small, but it builds in strength and energy until it becomes as unstoppable a force of nature as a raging typhoon.

In another chapter (where?) we quoted at length Leo Tolstoy's discussion, in War and Peace of the Battle of Borodino, and in particular the fact that Napoleon could not have stopped the battle: "Had Napoleon then forbidden them to fight the Russians, they would have killed him and have proceeded to fight the Russians because it was inevitable."

This is the essence of a crisis war. A huge mass of people who are willing to kill or be killed. An unstoppable "ball of invasion," in Tolstoy's words.

So to understand a crisis war, we really need to understand people's feelings and intentions. This is something that the TFT authors were able to measure by reading contemporary diaries and histories.

We required a set of criteria that can evaluate a war based on commonly available facts about the war in ordinary history books, and the criteria should be as free of subjectivity as possible.

Unfortunately, there are no simple numeric measures that can be applied. In particular, the number of battle deaths does not seem to be an appropriate measure. World War I (in Western Europe) showed that it's possible to have a static non-crisis war and still have quite a few war deaths. The American Civil War, the worst war in United States history, killed 0.8% of the population. On the other hand, China's Taiping Rebellion civil war killed almost 15% of the population.

So we need to be able to measure the feelings and intentions of large masses of people, but without using simple numeric measures.

Since we can't measure public attitudes during historical wars, we look for "clues" in the historical descriptions of the wars to see if the criteria for a crisis war are met. If the clues are ambiguous, then it's necessary to refer to additional sources to get more information. In my experience, it's rare that an ambiguous situation remains ambiguous for long. Whether a war is a crisis war becomes abundantly clear very quickly.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by tim » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:41 am

The above article I posted showing how the younger generation in Iran is not uniting around their government during this war shows the difference between a country in an awakening era vs a crisis era.

In a crisis era, such as after the attack at Pearl Harbor or even the terrorist attacks on 9/11, you would not see a division in the younger generation where younger Americans would be voicing support for the Japanese to "hurry up and finish the job they started" or support for terrorism after 9/11.

Re: The US has bombed Iran.

by FullMoon » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:29 pm

DaKardii wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:40 pmNow what?
Now we enter dangerous times.
Get what you need from shopping and secure your situation. Now we're exiting the eye of the storm. Good luck to you and everyone else!

The US has bombed Iran.

by DaKardii » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:40 pm

Now what?

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by tim » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:55 am

Navigator wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:14 pm However, when a foreign country (Israel) bombs your country (Iran), the response is generally increased support for the local regime. This means that Iranians, out of their own national pride, will, at least in the short term, most likely rally to the flag of the Ayatollahs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyn2nv21q9o
'A choice of two evils': Young anti-regime Iranians divided over conflict
We have managed to speak to several young Iranians who oppose the regime - and have protested against it in the past - in recent days, however.

Their names have been changed for their safety as the Iranian authorities frequently imprison opponents in an attempt to suppress dissent.

Tara, 26, told the BBC that when Israel issues evacuation warnings ahead of strikes, authorities shut off internet access "so that people don't find out and the death toll rises".

Checkpoints and toll stations are also set up, she says, accusing authorities of "deliberately" creating traffic, which "encourages people to stay in targeted areas".

"Talking about patriotism, unity, and standing up to the enemy is absurd. The enemy has been killing us slowly for decades. The enemy is the Islamic Republic!"
Sima, 27, tells us she does not care about this anymore.

"I wish Israel would get the job done as soon as possible. I'm exhausted. Although I'm still not a fan of Israel or what it's doing, I hope they'd finish what they've started.

"Wishful thinking, I know. But I want them to rid us and the world of the threat of the IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps], [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei and ayatollahs as a whole."
Some people we spoke to were even more forceful in their support for Israel's attacks.

Amir, 23, said he supported them "100%". Asked why, he said he believed no-one else was prepared to take on the regime.

"Not the UN, not Europe, not even us. We tried, remember? And they killed us in the streets. I'm joyful when the people who've crushed our lives finally taste fear. We deserve that much."

Amir is referencing the widespread protests in Iran following the death of Masha Amini. The 22-year-old died in police custody in 2022 after being arrested for allegedly violating rules requiring women to wear the headscarf.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:25 pm

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 025-06-17/

Speaking to reporters outside the White House, Trump declined to say whether he had made any decision on whether to join Israel's bombing campaign against arch-enemy Iran.

"I may do it. I may not do it. I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do," he said

If the "bad guys " are ruled by unpredictable dictators who use Force to get their way, ummm, yeah. Trump thinks he's good at bluffing by acting tough or is he really an insane psychopath who doesn't even know what he himself will do. Isn't his finger on the nuclear button? No wonder they had to shepard him so closely during his last administration. And now he's a senile and confused person not much better than Biden. Any religion that needs violence to get a desired result is not a good religion, obviously. And now they each want violence for their expected outcome. The devil is having a field day.

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