by CH86 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:22 pm
Guest wrote:Cynic Hero 86 wrote:Stalin working to death tens of millions in ebanking forced industrialization enabled Russia to win the great patriotic war, thus ensuring Russian survival as a nation.
What an idiotic thing to say. Stalin executed good generals after losing his nerve once the German had invaded. He had executed virtually every officer in the Red army above the rank of major by 1938. Stalin left Russia woefully unprepared to fight WW2.
When Germany First invaded all of its enemies in WW2, the results were initially always the same, In Poland, In France, In the Balkans, in Russia, All of the allied forces initially were overwhelmed the first time they fought the Germans, even the Americans had trouble the first time we fought the Panzers head on (at Kasserine Pass). Yet in Poland the results of the defeat of the polish covering forces in the border meant that the road to Warsaw was open. In France the result of the defeat of the french forces and the BEF meant that the road to Paris was open. Yet in the invasion of Russia the defeat of the Russian covering forces at the border did not mean that the road to Moscow was open. This is because the ability of manpower organs to press gang and call up Reserve manpower, creating new armies and having stockpiled weaponry, factories existed to produce more tanks, planes, guns, etc. These institutions existed because of the sheer ruthlessness of Stalin and his efforts to get things done so that those institutions would come into existence. A Czarist Russia would have had none of these, it would have meant that the Germans defeating the Russians initially deployed forces would have meant that the Russians were done, and that Hitler would have been unobstructed in creating his dream of Lebensraum; converting large stretches of Russia into Lebensraum while their inhabitants are converted into German fertilizer. So much for insisting on being the "good guys".
[quote="Guest"][quote="Cynic Hero 86"]Stalin working to death tens of millions in ebanking forced industrialization enabled Russia to win the great patriotic war, thus ensuring Russian survival as a nation.[/quote]
What an idiotic thing to say. Stalin executed good generals after losing his nerve once the German had invaded. He had executed virtually every officer in the Red army above the rank of major by 1938. Stalin left Russia woefully unprepared to fight WW2.[/quote]
When Germany First invaded all of its enemies in WW2, the results were initially always the same, In Poland, In France, In the Balkans, in Russia, All of the allied forces initially were overwhelmed the first time they fought the Germans, even the Americans had trouble the first time we fought the Panzers head on (at Kasserine Pass). Yet in Poland the results of the defeat of the polish covering forces in the border meant that the road to Warsaw was open. In France the result of the defeat of the french forces and the BEF meant that the road to Paris was open. Yet in the invasion of Russia the defeat of the Russian covering forces at the border did not mean that the road to Moscow was open. This is because the ability of manpower organs to press gang and call up Reserve manpower, creating new armies and having stockpiled weaponry, factories existed to produce more tanks, planes, guns, etc. These institutions existed because of the sheer ruthlessness of Stalin and his efforts to get things done so that those institutions would come into existence. A Czarist Russia would have had none of these, it would have meant that the Germans defeating the Russians initially deployed forces would have meant that the Russians were done, and that Hitler would have been unobstructed in creating his dream of Lebensraum; converting large stretches of Russia into Lebensraum while their inhabitants are converted into German fertilizer. So much for insisting on being the "good guys".