21-Jul-18 World View -- The Trump-Putin private meeting was almost certainly about China

[Cynic Hero 86]

Being a footsoldier of am opprestive dictatorship is a far better deal than being the German fertilizer that the average Russian would been turned into had Russia kept the czarist system.

[Guest]

Being a footsoldier of am opprestive dictatorship is a far better deal than being the German fertilizer that the average Russian would been turned into had Russia kept the czarist system.

Let's make this simple (an oversimplification because you are so dense): How many of their own subjects did the czars murder vs. how many of their own citizens did the Reds murder?

[Cynic Hero 86]

You still don't get it the reds obviously killed more Russian citizens than the czars: however because of forced industrialization there is still a nation called Russia which even dominated larges swaths of the world during the cold war era. Had the Russians kept the czarist system there wouldn't be a Russian nation today because the nazis would have conquered it and eliminated it's population as per generalplan ost.

[Guest]

You still don't get it the reds obviously killed more Russian citizens than the czars: however because of forced industrialization there is still a nation called Russia which even dominated larges swaths of the world during the cold war era. Had the Russians kept the czarist system there wouldn't be a Russian nation today because the nazis would have conquered it and eliminated it's population as per generalplan ost.

Russia started a program of rapid industrialization in the 1890s that continued right up to 1917. Today Russia is filled with abandoned factories that when operating produced substandard products that only soviets would purchase because that didn't have the money nor the option to buy vastly superior western made products. The Soviet union made some decent guns, but not much else. And don't bother to regale me with tails of the T-34. I'm not interested.

Economic growth rates averaged 9% in the 1890s and 5% from 1900–1914. While Russia was not the industrial giant that Germany was, but it was developing rapidly without having to resort to mass murder. Stalin ordered millions of soviet citizens to be worked death in horrific conditions in order to 'modernize' the Soviet Union. Is modernization worth more than the live of millions of people?

fertilizer that the average Russian would been turned into had Russia kept the czarist system.

It was Stalin and the Reds who turned tens of millions of Russians into fertilizer, not the Czars.

[Cynic Hero 86]

Stalin working to death tens of millions in ebanking forced industrialization enabled Russia to win the great patriotic war, thus ensuring Russian survival as a nation.

[Guest]

Stalin working to death tens of millions in ebanking forced industrialization enabled Russia to win the great patriotic war, thus ensuring Russian survival as a nation.

What an idiotic thing to say. Stalin executed good generals after losing his nerve once the German had invaded. He had executed virtually every officer in the Red army above the rank of major by 1938. Stalin left Russia woefully unprepared to fight WW2.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

There Will Be No American-Russian Alliance Against China

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... china.html

Looks like you are all wrong...

Where they get it "wrong" is that it won't be the US that "convinces" Russia to ally against China, but CHINA that will convince Russia to ally (with the US) against China.

..think on that for a bit.

Aloha. <shaka nui!>

[CH86]

Stalin working to death tens of millions in ebanking forced industrialization enabled Russia to win the great patriotic war, thus ensuring Russian survival as a nation.

What an idiotic thing to say. Stalin executed good generals after losing his nerve once the German had invaded. He had executed virtually every officer in the Red army above the rank of major by 1938. Stalin left Russia woefully unprepared to fight WW2.

When Germany First invaded all of its enemies in WW2, the results were initially always the same, In Poland, In France, In the Balkans, in Russia, All of the allied forces initially were overwhelmed the first time they fought the Germans, even the Americans had trouble the first time we fought the Panzers head on (at Kasserine Pass). Yet in Poland the results of the defeat of the polish covering forces in the border meant that the road to Warsaw was open. In France the result of the defeat of the french forces and the BEF meant that the road to Paris was open. Yet in the invasion of Russia the defeat of the Russian covering forces at the border did not mean that the road to Moscow was open. This is because the ability of manpower organs to press gang and call up Reserve manpower, creating new armies and having stockpiled weaponry, factories existed to produce more tanks, planes, guns, etc. These institutions existed because of the sheer ruthlessness of Stalin and his efforts to get things done so that those institutions would come into existence. A Czarist Russia would have had none of these, it would have meant that the Germans defeating the Russians initially deployed forces would have meant that the Russians were done, and that Hitler would have been unobstructed in creating his dream of Lebensraum; converting large stretches of Russia into Lebensraum while their inhabitants are converted into German fertilizer. So much for insisting on being the "good guys".