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Higgenbotham
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aedens wrote:How many economic theories treat resources as if they are finite? The O.E.C.D say “none” – that no such theory exists.
http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC41/Hawken1.htm

When a few people have a corner on the money supply and they can artificially raise prices while at the same time real disposible income gets cut, that will extend the infinite resource paradigm just a little bit longer. Then when the population gets cut, that will buy a little more time.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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Higgenbotham wrote:
aedens wrote:How many economic theories treat resources as if they are finite? The O.E.C.D say “none” – that no such theory exists.
http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC41/Hawken1.htm

When a few people have a corner on the money supply and they can artificially raise prices while at the same time real disposible income gets cut, that will extend the infinite resource paradigm just a little bit longer. Then when the population gets cut, that will buy a little more time.
America’s Per Capita Government Debt Worse Than Greece,’ as well as Ireland, Italy, France, Portugal, and Spain:
Let me fix this - All commodity markets need futures as they play a very helpful role for the regulator - allowed producer.
Marx was correct "greed will insure there own rope."
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Higgenbotham wrote:
aedens wrote:How many economic theories treat resources as if they are finite? The O.E.C.D say “none” – that no such theory exists.
http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC41/Hawken1.htm

When a few people have a corner on the money supply and they can artificially raise prices while at the same time real disposible income gets cut, that will extend the infinite resource paradigm just a little bit longer. Then when the population gets cut, that will buy a little more time.
This link is the little prick who perfected the shell game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
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http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/reports.html
http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/2011ar/2011ar.pdf

BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. 2011 ANNUAL REPORT

...

Last year, I told you that “a housing recovery will probably begin
within a year or so.” I was dead wrong. We have five businesses whose
results are significantly influenced by housing activity. The
connection is direct at Clayton Homes, which is the largest producer
of homes in the country, accounting for about 7% of those constructed
during 2011.

Additionally, Acme Brick, Shaw (carpet), Johns Manville (insulation)
and MiTek (building products, primarily connector plates used in
roofing) are all materially affected by construction activity. In
aggregate, our five housing-related companies had pre-tax profits of
$513 million in 2011. That’s similar to 2010 but down from $1.8
billion in 2006.

Housing will come back – you can be sure of that. Over time, the
number of housing units necessarily matches the number of households
(after allowing for a normal level of vacancies). For a period of
years prior to 2008, however, America added more housing units than
households. Inevitably, we ended up with far too many units and the
bubble popped with a violence that shook the entire economy.

That created still another problem for housing: Early in a recession,
household formations slow, and in 2009 the decrease was dramatic.

That devastating supply/demand equation is now reversed: Every day we
are creating more households than housing units. People may postpone
hitching up during uncertain times, but eventually hormones take
over. And while “doubling-up” may be the initial reaction of some
during a recession, living with in-laws can quickly lose its allure.

At our current annual pace of 600,000 housing starts – considerably
less than the number of new households being formed – buyers and
renters are sopping up what’s left of the old oversupply. (This
process will run its course at different rates around the country; the
supply-demand situation varies widely by locale.) While this healing
takes place, however, our housing-related companies sputter, employing
only 43,315 people compared to 58,769 in 2006. This hugely important
sector of the economy, which includes not only construction but
everything that feeds off of it, remains in a depression of its own. I
believe this is the major reason a recovery in employment has so
severely lagged the steady and substantial comeback we have seen in
almost all other sectors of our economy.

Wise monetary and fiscal policies play an important role in tempering
recessions, but these tools don’t create households nor eliminate
excess housing units. Fortunately, demographics and our market system
will restore the needed balance – probably before long. When that day
comes, we will again build one million or more residential units
annually. I believe pundits will be surprised at how far unemployment
drops once that happens. They will then reawake to what has been true
since 1776: America’s best days lie ahead.
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In Michigan they cannot do what Uncle Warren wants. Wages and benifits have been under assault for over 15 years.
Many social reason's this topic. Insurances are decimating younger people with no fault. House, Food, Auto... They cannot afford a House
and even then car. Average Hours of those working is under 32 to 34 hours. This ticks the BLS stats as fully Employed. Michigan is a
contingent workers State. That is why Gov. Snyder says right to work State language is not needed.
We have lost thousands and thousands of skilled workers to other States. I have posted real estate numbers in the past
and they are down. I posted the assesment percentage loss and the amout tax increase.
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aedens wrote:This link is the little prick who perfected the shell game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
Old post:
Warren Buffett still vociferously applauds the wisdom of the authorities on business television, which is still being beamed across the country, as being great for 309 million Americans.
Hawken again:
We are now heading down a centuries-long path toward increasing the productivity of our natural capital - the resource systems upon which we depend to live - instead of our human capital. We can no longer prosper by increasing human productivity. The more we try to do, the more poverty we will create.

We have spent the last century, and most of us, the last decades or so, working our tails off in order to make fewer and fewer people more and more productive using systems of manufacturing, distribution, and communication that use more and more stuff. We are all doing this precisely at a time when we have less and less stuff, and more and more people. Talk about speeding trains racing towards each other in the night.

So this next industrial revolution, a terrible term really, is about this great reversal. Not a reversal to little house on the prairie, but one to an elegantly designed and imagined interrelationship between human and living systems. We will do it because it's the only alternative that allows us to stick around as a species, which most of us want to do.
Alright, this is a good essay, but he probably didn't anticipate the process that most of us didn't anticipate either.

1. Natural capital begins to deteriorate. Check.
2. Standard economics starts to fail. Check.
3. Government debt money and printed money is appropriated to save the very entities that have created the poverty Hawken describes. Oops, didn't see that.
4. People like Warren Buffet applaud this as being great for 309 million Americans, promising an imminent comeback in the economy. People believe it. It doesn't happen. Oops.
5. Also, as this money falls into a few select hands, incomes fall while prices rise, which reduces resource demand. Oops, didn't see that.
6. The nation states collapse from the unsustainable debt load. Oops.
7. There is no new industrial revolution, the world enters into a new Dark Age, and world population is reduced. Oops.

Vince has said that hyperinflation is a process than not 1 in 10,000 understands. I would say that the above 7 steps are the new paradigm that not 1 in 10,000 understands, nor will they ever understand it. Cultural hegemoney as you describe it helps to ensure this is not understood.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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We cannot change reality or comment on it as we wish at times.
Also, we lost a very good man. He was a student with my Son in College.
I cannot convey in words the acedemic rigor,ability, and character of this
guy. He will be missed beyond words. He was on his way to work...
http://www.wwmt.com/articles/fatal-1402 ... buren.html
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Connection.
How about the Fed's longer-term predictions? The Fed started publishing the Board of Governors' and Reserve Banks' three-year forecasts in October 2007. At that time, the GDP growth forecasts among this group of 17 ranged from 2.2% to 2.7%. Actual 2010 GDP growth was 3%, outside the Fed's range.

The Fed forecasters told us that unemployment in 2010 would be in a range between 4.6% and 5%. In fact, it averaged about twice that, or 9.6%. The forecasters further predicted that both Personal Consumption Expenditures inflation (PCE, similar to CPI) and core PCE inflation would be in a range from 1.5% and 2%. The former came in at 1.3% and the latter at 1%, again outside the Fed's range. The Fed's scorecard on its 2007 three-year forecasts: 0 for 4.

In short, the Fed's premise that it can speak with authority about the future is flawed. During the two decades to 2006, its own experts were worse than outside ones in predicting one-year economic data. Since the start of the crisis in 2007, its three-year predictions have been worthless.
http://www.cfr.org/international-financ ... fed/p27425
Most Federal Reserve officials are fond of observing that even as they pursue a very aggressive and unprecedented monetary-policy path, their actions aren’t stirring up inflation.

In doing so, they’re countering critics who worry the central bank has gone too far in efforts to stimulate growth, and that current policies are running a significant risk of generating a future surge in price pressures. Fed officials have countered they have the tools to make sure their actions don’t fuel a break out in prices. They also note the data doesn’t show much worry about future inflation gains.


But a new survey of local businesses conducted by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, released Wednesday, suggests South-Eastern region business leaders may not share the Fed’s confidence about future inflation.

The survey of 168 firms found an average expectation inflation would hang close to the Fed’s target at 1.9% over the next 12 months. That was up a touch from the average expected annual gain of 1.8% uncovered in a similar survey a month ago, but it was still below the Fed’s preferred level for price increases of 2%.

The short run was not where the potential problem lies. Survey respondents predict inflation over the next five to 10 years to rise by 2.9%, a level that would problematic to the Fed. Of those who answered the question, the bias of regional companies clearly points to expectations that long term inflation risks are rising. Respondents said there was a 38% chance prices will rise between 1.1% to 3%, and a 29% chance of a gain between 3.1% and 5%. Those surveyed put a one in five chance on inflation rising by 5% or higher over the next five to 10 years.

“What our panel of firms appears to be telling us is that the risks to the inflation outlook–in both the near term and longer term–aren’t particularly balanced,” Atlanta Fed economists Mike Bryan, Laurel Graefe and Nicholas Parker write. “In the near term, they weigh the inflation risks more heavily to the downside. But looking over the next 5 to 10 years, the panel sees the inflation risks leaning decidedly to the upside."
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/02/ ... s_business
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your friend Aedens, it's always sad, especially when it is someone young.

Vince, the precious stone market priced in synthetics a century ago when the Verneuil process was developed. Diamonds have not as they are still under weird circumstances of supply, though that seems to be breaking up now. Telling the natural stone from the synthetic is not that difficult in most cases, you just have to know what to look for. There are stones that can't be duplicated at this time, and some may not be until nano assembler technology is available, such are of course very rare in nature due to the same reasons they can't be duplicated easily, conditions of formation were nearly impossible and such are usually found in a single location. Parabia tourmaline is an amusing exception to that rule, it is actually a single deposit found in two widely separated locations. Apparently the deposit split apart when Pangaea broke up......
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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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