6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese targets

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Reality Check
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Re: 6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese tar

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NoOneImportant wrote:And whether all of the above may be true, or not,
As to that.

If you are too lazy to even look it up for yourself, then that speaks volume's about the veracity of your posts.
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Re: 6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese tar

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NoOneImportant wrote: That era of an American dominated peace is being "fixed," by an American electorate no longer willing to, as Kennedy put it: "...bear any burden, pay any price..." in defense of freedom, neither at home nor abroad.
The politicians of both parties are telling the voters that United States is the undisputed, one and only, super power of the world, and that no country will ever attack the United States with nuclear weapons. No need to even worry about it.

Those same politicians, of both parties, are also telling the voters that the current U.S. standard of living based on the U.S. government borrowing an additional 10% of the Gross Domestic Product each year, without paying anything back, can continue forever, plus or minus a few percentage points.

Those same politicians, of both parties, are also telling the voters that the trade deficits can continue forever and that fewer and fewer people working each year, even though the population continues to grow every year, is not a crisis.

So the American voters may be morons to believe the above, but they have not been given a choice about paying for a national defense or not, and the voters have not had the opportunity to make the choice you claim they have made.
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Re: 6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese tar

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And who ARE the voters? - the uneducated , the illiterate, the illegal and the nonproductive? Oh and more votes cast then registered in the district?

Josef Stalin -- supposedly said
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything."

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Re: 6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese tar

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Quote correction--

from http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/dubiou ... _quote.htm

Update: A historical source has been found for one variant of this quote. The source is Boris Bazhanov's Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary, published in 1992 and only available, so far as I know, in Russian. The pertinent passage, which appears near the end of chapter five, reads as follows (loosely translated):

"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."
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Re: 6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese tar

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Reality Check wrote:
NoOneImportant wrote:
Those same politicians, of both parties, are also telling the voters that the current U.S. standard of living based on the U.S. government borrowing an additional 10% of the Gross Domestic Product each year, without paying anything back, can continue forever, plus or minus a few percentage points.

Those same politicians, of both parties, are also telling the voters that the trade deficits can continue forever and that fewer and fewer people working each year, even though the population continues to grow every year, is not a crisis.

So the American voters may be morons to believe the above, but they have not been given a choice about paying for a national defense or not, and the voters have not had the opportunity to make the choice you claim they have made.
The leaders of a country generally reflect the electroate. So if the leadership are spendthrift vacuous and arrogant weaklings whats that say about the people who voted them in?

I expect the US electorate will learn a hard lesson over the next 4 years and hopefully you get some sanity back after that. Be good when the divisive baby boomers are all gone.
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Re: 6-Feb-13 World View -- China locks radar on Japanese tar

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Reality Check wrote:.
John wrote:There is a striking analogy between China today and Germany before World War I.
This would appear to be a much stronger analogy than World War II.

From what I understand, what really caused World War I was Germany's strong, untested, belief in their own military superiority and the strong desire of the Germans to have an armed confrontation to prove it.

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Its not quite that simple. Germany was the pre-eminent power of its time culturally and, apart from Empire, militarily as well. One of the key root causes for WWI was when Germany decided to buck the pecking order of the world by building a fleet to challenge the British. Up until this point the UK was fine to let Germany continue to prosper economically and politically but they could not bear to see a consummate increase in Germany's ministry power by the most importent benchmark of the era - battleships. England then used its strength - a key one being diplomacy - to form a coalition against Germany to contain her.

It lead to war but it worked. Germany was reduced significantly and humbled and the British Empire puttered on for decades more before collapsing due to internal issues. English culture came to dominate the world without challenge until this very day. And I would argue it took Germany 70 years+ to recover from that reduction by the British and it has never become pre-eminent again.

I see the same thing to a certain degree happening now. China wants to upset the world order and is simultaneously expanding rapidly its military and economic power as well as itspolitical influence. Its natural for that to provoke a reaction. That reaction could lead to war but I doubt there will be global conflict (or even direct conflict between the USA and China) because of the retraining nature of nuclear armaments. I hazard to guess China will be reduced economically and politically via trade and diplomatic coalition (already happening).
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