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Carl Lieberman
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Higgenbotham wrote:Obama is cutting the military and removing key generals in order to weaken it and prevent the military from taking over the country. Obama is using Bernanke to crush the middle class into poverty so it is unable to resist. Homeland Security will be Obama's personal Gestapo and KGB.
Higgy, Obama has removed key generals, but not to prevent a military takeover. As a libertarian, I long for a more decentralized future, but... Any generational regeneracy implies more accumulated State power. Obama is installing loyal generals to support his power. Rather than some bimbo leaking Petraeus's and Allen's emails, Obama tasked the NSA to cause their fall. The NSA now has a searchable database of EVERY electronic communication ever created. During the height of the depression, American's wanted Roosevelt to assume complete state power. Anything to bring back economic security. I suspect that current citizens will also surrender their liberties for some fantasy of a return to security.

I hope that there is a hidden "Foundation" secretly plotting and intervening to hold the coming Dark Age to a minimal duration.
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Carl Lieberman wrote:
Higgenbotham wrote:Obama is cutting the military and removing key generals in order to weaken it and prevent the military from taking over the country.
Obama is installing loyal generals to support his power.
I can't disagree with your statement that Obama is installing loyal generals to support his power. He is going beyond that, though.
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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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I believe when the 1st quarter of 2013 is looked upon in a rear view mirror, it will go down as one of the most overextended, overbought markets of all time. Keep in mind that the complacency factors that I view have the bulls not seeing the semi bearing down on them to flatten. A pullback of 200 to 300 S&P points from this point to sometime in 2013 appears likely given the overextension. I feel like the person that knows the earthquake is going to consume all the terrain, but nobody is listening as they sip marguerites and purchase extravagances beyond normal common sense. Human nature will never change.
http://blog.markdcook.com/?p=604

I know the feeling. I think I had characterized it last week as far beyond ridiculous.
The whole link makes for interesting reading. I quote this guy from time to time because he's one of the top stock market traders in the world.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
aedens
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I don't have to take the risk. jcsok is walking point on this as we are also.
http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... ier#p14844
I was watching the euro opening and dax. Makes no damn sense at all. And euthansia of the rentier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY7RIn4byK0

Of course, investors should not wait for these dips to buy (he suggests), as no one can time the markets.
Better to hold your nose, feel lucky, and drip-feed your money-on-the-sidelines into something that he suggests
will drop by half twice in a decade.

Today, a draft of the revised Cypriot MOU being prepared by the head of the IMF mission to the island nation, Delia Velculescu, leaked and can be found in its 24 page entirety here. However, for the benefit of our Cypriot readers, here is the important part: the listing of the anticipated austerity tsunami coming, not to mention healthcare system, "pension reform" changes and other proposals the ECB and the IMF are imposing on Cyprus as part of their generosity to keep the recently insolvent country as a well-behaving serf in the Eurozone. t
http://mignatiou.com/wp-content/uploads ... L20131.pdf

U.S. liabilities to foreigners reported by U.S. banks were recorded at $4.5 trillion in December 2012, a decrease of $382 billion from year-end 2011. U.S. banking liabilities include foreign holdings of U.S. short-term securities but exclude foreign holdings of U.S. long-term securities. U.S. banking liabilities decreased about $427 billion in 2009 but increased about $131 billion in 2010 and $314 billion in 2011.
http://fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b2013_1cm1.doc
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... ts/mfh.txt

for the Cypriot serfs the pain is just starting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk
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Debt, particularly international debt, is the first and over-mastering grip. Through it men in high places are suborned, and alien powers and influences are introduced into the body politic. When the debt grip has been firmly established, control of every form of publicity and political activity soon follows, together with a full grip on industrialists. The stage for the revolutionary blow is then set. The grip of the right hand of finance established the paralysis; while it is the revolutionary left that holds the dagger and deals the fatal blow. Moral corruption facilitates the whole process. By 1780 financial paralysis was making its appearance in France. The world's big financiers were firmly established. "They possessed so large a share of the world's gold and silver stocks, that they had most of Europe in their debt, certainly France."

"Democracy in the west today is the forerunner of Marxism, which would be inconceivable without Democracy." Archibald Maule Ramsay

Arrested under Regulation 18b on the 23rd May, 1940, he was detained, without charge or trial, in a cell in Brixton Prison until the 26th September, 1944. On the following morning he resumed his seat in the House of Commons and remained there until the end of that Parliament in 1945.
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aedens wrote:Debt, particularly international debt, is the first and over-mastering grip. Through it men in high places are suborned, and alien powers and influences are introduced into the body politic. When the debt grip has been firmly established, control of every form of publicity and political activity soon follows, together with a full grip on industrialists. The stage for the revolutionary blow is then set. The grip of the right hand of finance established the paralysis; while it is the revolutionary left that holds the dagger and deals the fatal blow. Moral corruption facilitates the whole process. By 1780 financial paralysis was making its appearance in France. The world's big financiers were firmly established. "They possessed so large a share of the world's gold and silver stocks, that they had most of Europe in their debt, certainly France."
I imagine that a lot of them had their heads severed from their
bodies in the 1790s.
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Reading the left and right at times can be fascinating how utterly corupted both truly are at times. The factions are no different today as they posture
to enable gain of and on taxpayers inability to discern just as Athens suffered as explained bluntly by Thuclydides. Yes they indeed waited in silence in others regions of the European Continent. "The Nameless War", the conflict which has been waged from behind the political scene for centuries, which is still being waged and of which very few are aware and reveals an unsuspected link between all the major revolutions in Europe from King Charles I's time to the abortive attempt against Spain in 1936. Heavily connotated in racial bias as we would convey as economic hitmen earlier, and the facts to listed to reports today ongoing to the Shock Doctrine and The Rise of Disaster Capitalism from Klein in direct context as we are. Ramsay heavily paints the effects and unfiltered narrative to his incarceration for the duration of the economic conflict. The naive convey business is defined by law on continents even today.
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Carl Lieberman wrote: I hope that there is a hidden "Foundation" secretly plotting and intervening to hold the coming Dark Age to a minimal duration.

May be there is -- or maybe it is much more complicated then we can even imagine.

So lets go down the rabbit hole -- or should I say up the rabbit hole?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=37j ... =endscreen

The above is an interesting one hour video recorded in Amsterdam and posted in August 2011.

The following are some comments/ topics from the conference -- the "Secret Space Program"

In no order of importance, relevancy, or contradiction ----

Various organizations ( TPTB ) in different countries ( since the 1940's or earlier ) have and are developing advanced technology far beyond what is generally believed.

They, (TPTB) may be planning to leave Earth's contaminated environment to the Earth's masses and save themselves.

A very different understand of physics.

Groups of people are working in concert with various ET"s for various positive or negative reasons.

There is hostility amongst the various groups of people and their ET assistants.

Why disclosure by governments is resisted.

The ET truth would destroy all organized religion, because the "truth" would show that all organized religion is false.

We are immortal and our bodies are just temporary containers to be discarded.

The few seek control over the many for power.

A possible false flag alien invasion to install a one world government.

Earth is quarantined, we are a study and are observed for what ever reason.

We are not indigenous to Earth.

The Et humanoids are working with us toward a better future, since we are genetically like them.

etc.

Now back to reality, what ever that is -----
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A web site reader has posted a comment calling attention to Revelation
chapter 18 about the fall of Babylon, and people who had accumulated
great wealth, but lost it all in an hour:

9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and
shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and
mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off
and cry:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no
one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious
stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every
sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly
wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of
incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour
and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings
sold as slaves.

14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All
your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ 15 The
merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will
stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16
and cry out:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’

“Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all
who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they
see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a
city like this great city?’ 19 They will throw dust on their heads,
and with weeping and mourning cry out:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
where all who had ships on the sea
became rich through her wealth!
In one hour she has been brought to ruin!’

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV
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