Russia Scores a Huge Intelligence Victory

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Russia Scores a Huge Intelligence Victory

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Russia, by convincing Hong Kong, and perhaps the U.S. and/or China as well, to allow the former NSA employee to fly into their country has scored a huge intelligence victory.

I believe the Russians will provide the former CIA and NSA contractor with a stark choice.

Apply for asylum in Russia or be extradited back to the U.S.

It is hard to believe that once this Traitor / Hero ( and he is one, the other, or both to millions of Americans ) has voluntarily flown into Moscow, they would allow him to leave without milking him for every bit of information he had.

China also likely demanded a copy of everything he carried before he was allowed to leave Hong Kong. China controls the national security organs and military in Hong Kong, so it is doubtful he left without their knowledge and agreement, but it might been a covert operation by Russian agents.

The fact that an official statement was not released by the Hong Kong government, may, or may not, mean the Communist Chinese government did not know. It also might have meant the Chinese wanted to make sure the press did not know until they, the Chinese Communists, could play dumb about what was going on until he was out of Communist Chinese air space.
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So far, he flew into Russia, and never left.

At least as far as we know.
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If you recall your high school math, you may remember what a
"transitive" relationship is.

For example, "inside of" is a transitive relationship: If A is inside
of B, and B is inside of C, then it follows that A is inside of C.

At least you would think that "inside of" is transitive, but
apparently that's not true in Russian geography.

It turns out that:

- Snowden is inside of the Moscow airport.

- The Moscow airport is inside of Moscow.

- Moscow is inside of Russia.

AND YET: Snowden is NOT inside of Russia.
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It also turns out:

Putin ( many would say dictator Putin ) controls all the security services inside Russia.

The Moscow airport is inside Russia.

The Russian security services control the Moscow airport.

Putin controls the Moscow airport.

The rule of law inside Russia ( including the Moscow airport ) is anything Putin and the Russian security services want it to be at any point in time.

What you, or I, or anyone else declares the rule of law means inside Moscow airport is meaningless if Putin wants it to mean something different.
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So he is still inside Russia, and never left.

At least as far as we know.
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The FSB ( formerly known as the KGB ), and other Russian Security Services, have had unrestricted and unmonitored access to this U.S. traitor for almost a week know.

Russian security forces are the only law enforcement forces present at the Moscow airport.
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KGB man now speaking for the Traitor Snowden

The Federal Security Service ( FSB ) of the Russian Federation contains the vast majority of the organization formerly known as the KGB of the Soviet Union.

The FSB includes the former KGB's infamous Second Directorate ( Political Control and Counter Espionage ) and the Eighth Directorate and Sixteenth Directorate.

The FSB includes the equivalent of the U.S. FBI Counterespionage Department; plus the U.S. NSA; plus the Russian agency that operates the internal Russian telephone networks; and the other internal Russian Communications systems; in addition to including virtually all the former KGB's other functions except the former KGB's First Directorate functions which are now carried out by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service ( SVR ).

The KGB Second Directorate ceased to exist after the 1991 Coup against the President of the Soviet Union conducted primarily by the KGB's Second Directorate and the head of the KGB. Boris Yeltsin and the Russian Army defeated that coup and dissolved the Soviet Union as well as most of the KGB's spy related functions except the First Directorate's foreign spies.

After a 1995 coup against Yeltsin which failed only when Yeltsin had the Russian parliament building reduced to rubble and stormed by the Russian Army, the Second Directorate of the Former KGB was resurrected as the FSB. Yeltsin used executive orders to do this and also to put the FSB under the direct control of the Russian President ( Yeltsin at that time). In the next few years a former KGB officer named Putin was put in charge of the FSB where he fired most of the leaders and replaced them with former KGB personnel he had worked with. Shortly thereafter Yeltsin turned day to day operations of the Russian Presidency over to Putin. Putin was subsequently elected President.

The Russian representing the CIA / NSA Traitor as his Russian public spokesman and his Russian attorney, for the purpose of seeking asylum in Russia, is Anatoli Kucherena ( sometimes reported as Anatoly Kucherena in the western media ).

Mr. Kucherena has at least two official Russian government jobs as well.

Anatoli Kucherena is Chairman of the Public Chamber Commission on Control over Law Enforcement Structures, for the Russian Government.

Mr Kurcherena also sits on the 15 member Public Board of the Federal Security Service ( FSB ).

There are also reports in the press that is he is a close political ally and personal confident of Russian President Putin.

http://www.agentura.ru/english/timeline ... iccouncil/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sno ... 39876.html
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John, on Friday July 19th 2013 wrote:
Espionage suspect Edward Snowden may be trapped in Russia

Some Russian officials are suggesting that U.S. traitor Edward Snowden, who committed anti-American espionage, fled to Hong Kong and then to Moscow, will not be permitted to leave Russia, and that he's no longer in the airport, but is in a safe house controlled by the security police.

Initially, Russia's president Vladimir Putin said:

"We told him [Snowden], he may stay [in Russia] if he stops hindering our relations with the US, but he refused."

Snowden refused these terms, but his attempts to flee to an anti-American Latin America country have been repeatedly thwarted. Thus, on July 12 he finally changed his mind, and requested "Temporary political asylum," which does not exist in Russia, so he's apparently been given temporary refugee status, "because of humanitarian considerations." Under the terms of his refugee status, an official announced, "We warned Snowden that any activity that may undermine US-Russian relations is unacceptable." Putin added: "I do not understand why Snowden decided to stay all his life in Russia, but that is his choice."

I've actually thought for a long time that Snowden would never be permitted to leave Russia. The reason is that if Snowden has all this intelligence information, then there must a lot of it pertaining to Russia and to Putin himself. If Snowden fled to Venezuela, then the politicians there would gleefully expose Putin's secrets, as well as U.S. secrets.

But there's a second reason as well. The U.S. is holding a Russian defector who has disclosed the names of a number of Russian spies. The U.S. is in a position, if it desired, to publicly disclose information about Russia spying on its own neighbors, including the countries in the former Soviet Union. This would be extremely embarrassing to Putin.

So the traitor who thinks the U.S. is so awful that he decided to betray his country may now be trapped in the wonderful (formerly) socialist paradise of Russia, where he can contemplate the differences between the two countries. Gee, I hope they don't waterboard him. (wink wink) Jamestown

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