Really short Saeculums

[Chris]

Anyways Nathan and John, I was able to find some information pertaining to the C.A.R and region going back to the 1500's. The most important facts that i was able to find is that sometime in the Early 1800's 4 Tribes/Ethnic groups all moved to the region. The Baya (34% of C.A.R's population identify as members), Banda, Azande, and the Mandjia people all moved into the Ubangi river and Shari river region to avoid Arab and Islamic Slave traders. By the mid 1800's, the Bobangi people people who had lived along the Ubangi river had decided to take up slave trading and started to prey on the Baya and Mandija people. Rabih az-Zubayr shows up in the Ubangi-Shari region by 1879 and carves a path of destruction along the way but gets repealed back into Chad in 1885 by Mandjia Tribes and it's Leader Kaga Kazanba.

As for the Baya People, These Tidbit from Britannica helps to form a timeline on them.

The Gbaya migrated southeastward from what is now the Hausa area of northern Nigeria early in the 19th century, fleeing the jihad (holy war) of Usman dan Fodio. Led by Gazargamu, their war chief, the Gbaya vanquished, assimilated, or drove ahead of them the peoples that they encountered. Contemporary Gbaya subgroups, which include the Bokoto, Kara, Buli, Kaka, and Bwaka, reflect this integration of defeated peoples. The Gbaya, in turn, were attacked annually by Fulani slavers from what is now northern Cameroon

Usman dan Fodio, Usman also spelled Uthman or Usuman, Arabic ʿUthmān Ibn Fūdī (born December 1754, Maratta, Gobir, Hausaland [now in Nigeria]—died 1817, Sokoto, Fulani empire), Fulani mystic, philosopher, and revolutionary reformer who, in a jihad (holy war) between 1804 and 1808, created a new Muslim state, the Fulani empire, in what is now northern Nigeria.

Also this new clip from al ahram gives the info that the crisis is Tribe based.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/5467/19 ... usade.aspx

This link went back into the C.A.R's history and gives more vital info

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/car/ ... line-1.htm

So looking back at all the infomation that I gathered and being more careful with John's methodology I came to a timeline for the Tribes of the C.A.R


Gbaya and Mandjia People

Crisis: Expulsion to Ubangi-Shari/ Usman dan Fodio's Jihad From 1804-1808
Next Crisis : Rabih az-Zubayr's Expedition into Ubangi-Shari From 1879-1885
Recovery: French Colonization from 1887 to 1902
Awakening: Capitation/ Revolts in Ubangi-Shari from 1903-1916
Unraveling: From 1916 to 1928. During this time the Gbaya and Mandjia started acting revenge killing against the Fula people within the region
Crisis: Kongo-Wara Rebellion from 1928-1934. Started as a Crisis war between Gbaya/Mandjia and the Fula but ecompased the French colonials as the Gbaya attacked the french troops and people alongside the Fula. Ended with large populations of Gbaya and Mandjia people forcibly relocated and the French government agreed not to renew the leases of concessionary companies withing the region.


I'm still working on the timeline for other tribes and after the Kongo Wara rebellion but the history before the rebellion is good to being done. What do you guys think?

[Nathan G]

I can't speak for John, but I think this is excellent piece of work that you're doing. We need more generational timelines for the obscure regions of the Earth, so the work you're putting into central Africa (which I know very little about) is phenomenally useful. Please keep up the good work.

[gerald]

This may not be the most sophisticated comment or observation, but in terms of the generational idea ---interesting

Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves in three generations is an American translation of a Lancashire proverb, “there’s nobbut three generations atween a clog and clog.”

In Italian it is “dalle stalle alle stelle alle stalle” (“from stalls to stars to stalls”). The Spanish say, “quien no lo tiene, lo hance; y quien lo tiene, lo deshance” (“who doesn’t have it, does it, and who has it, misuses it”).

from ---
http://www.corpmagazine.com/special-int ... nerations/

and from a comment on business from zerohedge --

FreedomGuy
FreedomGuy's picture
Yup. In the end it is actually management's fault. Whether they are agreeing to wages that are too high or cutting corners.

My theory is that a company goes through three phases.

Phase I. Inspirational phase. This is where the founders are. They have some sort of inspiration and actual expertise. They usually have an actual passion for whatever they are doing whether it is building a car or a better cup of coffee. This is the funnest and most profitable time to work for a company. Once the founders and maybe first generation are gone you go to the next phase.

Phase II. The Professionals. These are the no nonsense guys. They have degrees and connections from Wharton, Yale, etc. They are actually pessimists and do not have any particular passion for the products or services. They stick to tried and true, take only limited risk on the advice of consultants and the solution to all things is "Work more hours.". They do work very hard and occasionally write a book about working hard. They are not as good or as smart as they think or their paychecks would indicate. The gradual downhill slide begins with these guys and gals. When it gets to the point of the obvious the next phase occurs.

Phase III. Salvage. The company is continuing to fail. The last CEO has exited with a grand severance package and now a finance guy takes over. It is always a finance guy. Finance guys should never ever run any company including finance companies. They hate all businesses and the fact that there are any employees. Their basic theory is "We could save a ton of money if we fired everybody." They don't like cars, coffee or puppies. They are tasked with chopping the company down to size to get expenditures below revenues. They do not waste time trying to make better products or services. They are in the salvage mode. In the end, business continues to deteriorate until the company files bankruptcy or is bought by another or merges with another often equally weak company. This is the death of the original company.

Most of us work in Phase II companies. This is actually where most of the misery is.
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All of the above is part of the "human situation"

sorry about the obvious

g

[Nathan G]

This may not be the most sophisticated comment or observation, but in terms of the generational idea ---interesting

Random thought: maybe your theory fits within generational dynamics?

Founders == Civics (Heroes), dominant in Austerity (like 1950s)
Phase I == Adaptive (Artists), dominant in Awakening (like 1970s)
Phase II == Idealists (Prophets), dominant in Unraveling (like 1990s)
Phase III == Reactives (Nomads), dominant in Crisis (like 2010s)

Capitalism seems to be restarted every crisis.

[gerald]

This may not be the most sophisticated comment or observation, but in terms of the generational idea ---interesting

Random thought: maybe your theory fits within generational dynamics?

Founders == Civics (Heroes), dominant in Austerity (like 1950s)
Phase I == Adaptive (Artists), dominant in Awakening (like 1970s)
Phase II == Idealists (Prophets), dominant in Unraveling (like 1990s)
Phase III == Reactives (Nomads), dominant in Crisis (like 2010s)

Capitalism seems to be restarted every crisis.

Theory maybe, the above are observations of others which seem to fit in with generational dynamics ( generational dynamics may be more intuitively accepted then acknowledged ), as a side note in reading about great leaders in business, politics, conquers, etc. their children generally are comparative "losers" ( there are exceptions )

hmmm

[Nathan G]

Theory maybe, the above are observations of others which seem to fit in with generational dynamics ( generational dynamics may be more intuitively accepted then acknowledged ), as a side note in reading about great leaders in business, politics, conquers, etc. their children generally are comparative "losers" ( there are exceptions )

hmmm

Yeah, everyone seems to think the Millennials are "doomed", but with hope, they (we) will become the next generation of heroes.
http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accou ... generation

[gerald]

Theory maybe, the above are observations of others which seem to fit in with generational dynamics ( generational dynamics may be more intuitively accepted then acknowledged ), as a side note in reading about great leaders in business, politics, conquers, etc. their children generally are comparative "losers" ( there are exceptions )

hmmm

Yeah, everyone seems to think the Millennials are "doomed", but with hope, they (we) will become the next generation of heroes.
http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accou ... generation

Individuals, civilizations, natural events, etc. make times different, but there are similarities and therefore cycles. Illustrated I think by the validity of generational dynamics but super imposed upon natural cycles. The coming decades should prove very interesting, interesting times can provide opportunities to those who can respond ( not hope, but see, think and act outside the box ) The apparent coming cold period ( 70 to 100 years based upon observation and historical records regarding the sun ) will most likely cause droughts, crop failures, shifting of agricultural zones and famine. Resulting in various forms of turmoil. Drought for example caused the end of the Mayan civilization. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ought.html

Oh well, the problem of the younger generation reminds me of a poem I read long ago. It is about an old man lamenting the attitudes of the young, it was written buy an Egyptian around 2000 BC, Egyptian civilization had about 1500 years left.

cheers