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Higgenbotham
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gerald wrote:
Higgenbotham wrote:
aedens wrote: T nails the mood seen http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-0 ... enly-empty
T indirectly points out that governments, as of now, have the power to empty casinos and move the gamblers to the stock market. It still seems to me that the transition from the nation-state level governments having an abundance of power to manipulate and having no power will have to be quite sudden in the current instance and more sudden than it has been historically.

What contionues to surprise me is that with 7 billion people on the earth, a well organized, intelligent, and skilled group of 25-50 could wreak absolute havoc, but no vestige of that has happened since The Order. I believe I know precisely how that could be done but would hesitate to point out for the sake of argument a possible blueprint because for that they probably would come and haul somebody away or put them 6 feet under.

So I shall venture back into my cave which is the best place for me at this time.
Don't give them ideas.
Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станисла́в Евгра́фович Петро́в; born c. 1939) is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces. On September 26, 1983, he was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile was being launched from the United States. Petrov judged the report to be a false alarm, and his decision is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in large-scale nuclear war. Investigation later confirmed that the satellite warning system had indeed malfunctioned.
Nah, they've figured out enough ways to do themselves in on their own without my help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
Petrov underwent intense questioning by his superiors about his judgment. Initially, he was praised for his decision. General Yury Votintsev, then commander of the Soviet Air Defense's Missile Defense Units, who was the first to hear Petrov's report of the incident (and the first to reveal it to the public in the 1990s), states that Petrov's "correct actions" were "duly noted." Petrov himself states he was initially praised by Votintsev and promised a reward, but recalls that he was also reprimanded for improper filing of paperwork under the pretext that he had not described the incident in the war diary.

He received no reward. According to Petrov, this was because the incident and other bugs found in the missile detection system embarrassed his superiors and the influential scientists who were responsible for it, so that if he had been officially rewarded, they would have had to be punished. He was reassigned to a less sensitive post, took early retirement (although he emphasizes that he was not "forced out" of the army, as is sometimes claimed by Western sources), and suffered a nervous breakdown.
Sounds about right.

I'm really surprised I never posted this here before but it doesn't show up in search. There was another very near miss during the Cuban Missile Crisis that is little known.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
Higgenbotham
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The image of the world standing still is due to Sheldon Stern, former historian at the John F Kennedy Presidential Library, who published the authoritative version of the tapes of the ExComm meetings where Kennedy, and a close circle of advisers, debated how to respond to the crisis. The meetings were secretly recorded by the president, which might bear on the fact that his stand throughout the recorded sessions is relatively temperate, as compared to other participants who were unaware that they were speaking to history. Stern has just published an accessible and accurate review of this critically important documentary record, finally declassified in the 1990s. I will keep to that here. "Never before or since," he concludes, "has the survival of human civilization been at stake in a few short weeks of dangerous deliberations," culminating in the Week the World Stood Still.

There was good reason for the global concern. A nuclear war was all too imminent – a war that might "destroy the Northern Hemisphere", President Eisenhower had warned. Kennedy's own judgment was that the probability of war might have been as high as 50%. Estimates became higher as the confrontation reached its peak and the "secret doomsday plan to ensure the survival of the government was put into effect" in Washington, described by journalist Michael Dobbs in his recent, well-researched bestseller on the crisis – though he doesn't explain why there would be much point in doing so, given the likely nature of nuclear war. Dobbs quotes Dino Brugioni, "a key member of the CIA team monitoring the Soviet missile build-up", who saw no way out except "war and complete destruction" as the clock moved to One Minute to Midnight – Dobbs' title. Kennedy's close associate, historian Arthur Schlesinger, described the events as "the most dangerous moment in human history". Defense Secretary Robert McNamara wondered aloud whether he "would live to see another Saturday night", and later recognized that "we lucked out" – barely.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... n-roulette
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
gerald
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For the laugh of the day --

"For the second time in two weeks, the National Weather Service has issued blizzard warnings" --- for ----- "Hawaii"
http://mashable.com/2015/01/03/blizzard-hawaii/
aedens
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http://www.voltairenet.org/article184957.html Plato was correct on one thing about who knows peace.
Ignorance is Strengh just as George already new. Taxpayers here never had chance or will they ever as we are.
They deserve what they have coming.
Higgenbotham
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This account of the Week the World Stood Still is interesting with regard to the debates that have occurred on this forum.

One of the debates had to do with whether world leaders are rational men who will make rational cost benefit decisions regarding nuclear war in order to save themselves and their families, or whether they are irrational men prone to panic and will use every last nuclear weapon in their arsenal to destroy the other side and the whole world in the process.

The second part of the debate/discussion had to do with whether one generational group of leaders or another is more prone to making the irrational decision to use every last nuclear weapon to destroy the world.

So let's put it this way, at a minmum. If the account of the Week the World Stood Still is anywhere near correct, and generational theory is anywhere near correct, a nuclear annihilation almost occurred while the more rational generation was in charge and, therefore, if the second part of the debate/discussion is anywhere near correct, the next nuclear confrontaion with the less rational generation in charge will result in total nuclear annihilation.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
aedens
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I am convinced of only one thing since Able Archer. We will never see it coming and never will they tell it as it is.
As a Taxpayer here, why do they stand by as they gased women and children. Again it happens, women and chidren stranded
on a mountain and who came. Our children, and yes we need to clean some rooms in the house.

Meanwhile it is noted http://www.infowars.com/alexa-caught-ta ... -websites/

http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 202#p22453 If Kisses were dollars, the girl that kisses too many, debases her currency.
aedens
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ECOND.html

I was reading some longer term cycle information from cal state. Fascinating events everywhere.

In another 11 years we can compare notes if we are blessed with time.
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From BBC World News this afternoon:
Joe Lynam, business correspondent wrote: The Seven Year Itch:
2008 was the financial crisis.
Go back 7-8 years, you have the dot-com crisis.
7 years before that, you had the sterling crisis in ERM???.
7 years before that, Black Monday in 1987.
7 years before that you had the second oil crisis.
7 years before that, you had the first oil crisis.
So every 7 or so years there is an economic shock
that plunges us all into potentially recession.
Seven and 2008 is 2015.
gerald
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John wrote:From BBC World News this afternoon:
Joe Lynam, business correspondent wrote: The Seven Year Itch:
2008 was the financial crisis.
Go back 7-8 years, you have the dot-com crisis.
7 years before that, you had the sterling crisis in ERM???.
7 years before that, Black Monday in 1987.
7 years before that you had the second oil crisis.
7 years before that, you had the first oil crisis.
So every 7 or so years there is an economic shock
that plunges us all into potentially recession.
Seven and 2008 is 2015.
2015 ----- and the beginning toward the bottom of the solar cycle - Oh, I should have clarified the year with out summer ---

"1816 was a time when the overwhelming majority of the world’s population depended on subsistence agriculture, living precariously from harvest to harvest. When the crops failed that year, and again the next, starving rural legions from China to Ireland swarmed out of the countryside to market towns to beg for alms or sell their children in exchange for food. Famine-friendly diseases cholera and typhus stalked the globe from India to Italy, while the price of bread and rice, the world’s staple foods, skyrocketed with no relief in sight."
http://www.branchcollective.org/?ps_art ... t-a-summer

Anyone who thinks Nature doesn't have all of the trump cards is delusional.
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