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Regurgitating the Obama Administration Propaganda

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John wrote:Once again, al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) was created by Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. As I wrote in 2007 in "Iraqi Sunnis are turning against al-Qaeda in Iraq", al-Zarqawi was unable to find Iraqis who were willing to be suicide bombers, or shed blood in any way, so he had to bring in Jordanian and Saudi terrorists from abroad. Al-Zarqawi was killed by an American drone strike in 2006, and AQI was completely driven out of Iraq in 2007 by Iraqi Sunnis in the "Anbar Awakening," with the help of President George Bush's "surge."
The re-writtig of history involved in the Al-Zarqawi defeat in Iraq ( his network was defeated - not just him personally ) and the suggestion that he was killed by a drone is not only false, it is a totally misleading and false narrative of what has worked in the past against organizations such as al_Qaeda in Iraq ( AQI ) and ISIL to make the Obama administration's current effort seem reasonable.

Al-Zarqawi's network was defeated by U.S. boots on the ground picking up low level members of the Zarqawi network as well as the friends, neighbors, landlords. and business associates of those low level members for interrogation to gain intelligence.

In the end a series of safe houses were identified in al-Qaeda friendly neighborhoods of Iraq and those safe houses were all watched by concealed U.S. special forces ( U.S. boots on the ground in unfriendly territory ). When it was observed that known Al-Zarqawi aides and advisers were meeting in one of the safe houses U.S. special forces used laser designators to bring in the first unplanned, surprise, F16 air strike with a 500 pound high explosive bomb. After the exact location of the target had been identified during the first air strike with a laser designator by the special forces, a second air strike using a precision GPS guidance system was completed on the same GPS location identified in the first strike. The second air strike followed the first by just a few minutes using another 500 pound high explosive bomb intended to kill any initial survivors of the first air strike ( using the over pressure effect of high explosives on living people who are no longer protected by a building). Even after the two F16 airstrikes al-Zarqawi remained alive and had been loaded into an Iraqi ambulance and was bound for an Iraqi hospital when U.S. special forces arrived on the scene and detained both the ambulance and al-Zarqawi - the exact cause of al-Zarqawi's death remains in dispute, but the official U.S. government story is he died of injuries sustained in the second air strike by the high explosive effect from a 500 pound high explosive bomb dropped from an F16.

Camera footage from the cameras of the F16s immediately before, and after, the first air strike, and U.S. special forces survelance pictures of the building before the first air strike are available on line from media sources. After the first air stike the building is concealed by floating dust and debris suspended in the air, necessitating the use of GPS guidance for the second air strike.

Subsequent to Al-Zarqwai's death, the vast majority of all senior members of the Al-Zarqawi's network went to ground in the other safe houses and were killed, or captured, in a single wave of coordinated attacks by U.S. ground forces on all those safe houses. The resulting fire fights were intense but one sided as a result of precision air strikes available immediately upon on request by the U.S. attacking ground forces.

The suggestion that al-Zarqawi, and more importantly his network, was destroyed by a drone strike, as opposed to U.S. boots on the ground, is simply propaganda that the Obama administration uses to justify not fighting ISIL in a manner that might actually work.

In the current war, it is ISIL, not the U.S. that is using precision guided, long range, high explosive artillery ( in the form of truck bombs driven in from Syria ) to bring down buildings on the Iraqi Army's Kurdish special forces units ( the part of the Iraqi Army ) that were holding back an ISIL advance in the city of Ramadi. Kurdish intelligence officials have reported the U.S. was aware that these truck bombs were being built in Syria and were being convoyed through ISIL controlled Iraqi territory to Ramadi - but the U.S. officials refused to attack the conveys from the air without a formal request from the Shia led Iraqi government in Baghdad - a refusal that resulted in the destruction of some of the most well trained and effective Iraqi army units ( that just happened to be Kurdish led and Kurdish manned but were fighting as part of the Iraqi army in Ramdi ), and also resulting in the subsequent panicked retreat of the Shia regular army units from Ramadi.

Obama is arming, supporting, and reinforcing the effective fighting forces of our enemies ( the Iran allied, and Iran led, Shia militias who are our enemies ) and Obama is refusing to directly arm, support and reinforce the effective fighting forces of our allies ( Kurdish led, and Kurdish manned special forces units of the Iraqi army, and the Kurdish and Sunni, anti-ISIL, militias ).

It is a sound military principal to arm, support and reinforce units that are effective, just not the effective units of your enemies while starving and abandoning the effective units of your allies ( Kurdish led special forces of the Iraqi army and the Kurdish and Sunni militias that are being destroyed and restrained in the fight against ISIL due to the lack of arms, support and reinforcement from the United States ).

The Obama administration has announced that advanced U.S. anti-tank missiles are being rushed to the the Shia led Iraqi government, to be distributed by the Shia lead government to the Iran allied Shia militia's, and not distributed to the Kuridish Iraqi army special forces units that needed the weapons in Ramadi to defend themselves against truck bombs, and not being distributed to the Kurdish militias, and not being distributed to the Sunni militias allied to the U.S. and the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIL. Obama is refusing to directly arm the three U.S. allied, effective, anti-ISIL fighting units in Iraq and instead is allowing the Shia Government officials in Iraq to channel advanced U.S. weapons to the anti-U.S. and anit-ISIL Shia militias in Iraq.
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I read what you wrote, then I reread what I wrote, and I don't see any
contradiction. In particular, I never said that anyone other than
al-Zarqawi himself was killed by a drone strike.
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John wrote:
al-Zarqawi himself was killed by a drone strike.
You are still claiming, falsely, that al-Zarqawit was killed by a drone strike ?
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Reality Check wrote:
John wrote:
al-Zarqawi himself was killed by a drone strike.
You are still claiming, falsely, that al-Zarqawit was killed by a drone strike ?
Sorry. He was killed by an air strike, not a drone strike.
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John wrote:
He was killed by an air strike, not a drone strike.
An airstrike directed by U.S. combat boots on the ground near the target.

U.S. Combat boots that were in the right place on the ground because of both:

1. Intelligence collected by Sunni Arabs at the direction of the Sunni Arab elites in both Iraq and Jordan, and,

2. Intelligence collected by U.S. boots on the ground in Iraq picking up, detaining, and interrogating, low level members of al-Queda in Iraq and also those members' relatives, business associates, land lords and acquaintances.

The Sunni tribal leaders of Iraq controlled vast areas of the country of Iraq ( prior to the U.S. invasion ) and had a vested interest in keeping Al Qaeda in Iraq from replacing them as the leaders of Sunni areas of Iraq.

The point being it was the most powerful military on earth acting in a way that furthered the interests of the long term Sunni Arab elites in Iraq and Jordan that defeated AL-Queda in Iraq. This was accomplished by empowering both the Sunni and Shia long established national elites of Iraq ( at the expense of the Sunni and Shia revolutionaries in Iraq). The U.S. was able to disengage militarily from Iraq, after the "surge" that re-empowered the Iraqi national elites of both the Sunni and Shia sects.

When President Bush changed his policy from empowering the powerless in Iraq to re-empowering the elites in Iraq ( the elites that had a vested interest in preserving the country of Iraq ) then the U.S. was on a political ( and military ) winning streak in Iraq, and ... Al Qaeda in Iraq was doomed and so were the Shia militias that threatened the long time Shia national elites in Iraq. Bush was able to end "combat operations in Iraq" when he joined the side of Iraq's nationalist elites.

Obama taking over as commander in chief of the most powerful military on Earth and reversing the military policy again, has led to the ongoing U.S. political and military defeats in North Africa and the Middle East. Breaking the alliance with the Sunni elites in Iraq, and supporting the Shia majority ( not just the Shia elites ) at the expense of the Sunni tribal leaders put the U.S., and the nationalist forces that held Iraq together, on a losing streak.

It is in the short term interest of both Iran and ISIL to convert the war in Iraq into a struggle not for a country, but instead, a struggle for control of a greater North African and Middle Eastern Caliphate. ISIL wins this battle by side lining the U.S. and inciting the majority "Sunni Arab" population of the Middle East and North Africa to take up a holy war against Iran and all non-Arabs and non-Sunni's in the region. Iran wins this struggle by sidelining the U.S. and deploying nuclear weapons ( and having the proven will to use weapons of mass destruction against the civilian populations of Iran's enemies ).

By perpetuating the myth that "a drone strike" or even "a series of air strikes", without U.S. boots on the ground, is an effective means of "destroying ISIL", we support Obama's failing policy in Iraq because we are agreeing with Obama's propaganda that "the proven strategy of defeating AL-Queda in Iraq and defeating AL-Qaeda in Yemen was assassination by drone".
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I have to admit I'm a bit confused by the importance of this
discussion.

I've been following this issue since the airstrikes began a year ago,
and I can't recall any analyst, even administration supporters,
claiming that the airstrikes are going to work. In fact, the only two
people I can recall hearing in support of the airstrike strategy are
Obama himself and Baghdad Bob Josh Earnest.

I guess you've heard somebody say or you've read in some forum that if
al-Zarqawi could be killed by a drone strike, then we can beat ISIS
with just drone strikes, but nobody I've heard believes anything like
that.
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Wow, so I guess you missed the theme, now overcome by reality, that the Obama Administration, the Democratic party and the U.S. media pushed for months that the pin prick air strikes in Iraq and Syria where working to degrade and destroy ISIL, it would just take a few years before Obama's brilliant strategy in Iraq and Syria would be realized accoding to the talking points. As proof of that, according to press releases and media reporting, one only had to look to the great victory that Obama had accomplished in Yemen using drones to destroy Al-Queda in Yemen over a period of several years..

In the last few months, after Al-Queda captured the largest province in Yemen, and Al-Queda also captured the capital city of the largest providence in Yemen, talk of this "proven drone victory in Yemen" has largely disappeared from the media.

Apparently, even if you do not now remember, the propaganda regarding how drones win wars, did filter in. The revisionist history that AL-Zarquari was killed by a drone strike back in the 2006 - 2007 time frame, was repeated as fact in your daily blog. Even if you did not repeat it in your blog, the defeat of AL-Qaeda in Iraq occurred at the same time and is widely associated with, correctly, the death of AL-Zarquari.

Problem is that neither the defeat of AL-Qeada in Iraq nor the death of Al-Zarquari were the result of a drone strike.
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I want to be clear here.

If the United States were, for weeks, to accomplish several thousand precision air strikes each week on ISIL targets in Syria. ISIL would indeed be degraded and even the indepent Kurdish Militias in Iraq, supported by U.S. Forward Air Controllers embedded with the Kurdish ground forces, would be able to finish destroying ISIL in Northern Syria. North Central Syria where the ISIL capital is, and in Eastern Syria along the Iraqi border ( using Kurdish ground forces supported by massive U.S. air power ).

Problem is the airstrikes Obama is using are more like pin-prick drone strikes ( given the almost non-existant number of strikes per week ) and also lacking the intelligence from on the ground troops needed to make the air stikes accurate and determinative in a military sense. Add to that the fact the number of airstrikces are indeed insignificant in a military sense, and Obama's "Air War against ISIL" is basically limited to remote control drone strikes by a different name.
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ISIL is not a powerful military force.

Problem is, neither is the United States Military if the U.S. leader, in this case Obama, refuses to let them, the U.S. Military, fight in any manner that would actually bring about a victory, and if that same leader, refuses to support allies of the United States that are more than willing and able to defeat ISIL with the Support of Massive U.S. air power.

Who are those U.S. allies ? The Iraqi Army special forces led and manned by Kurds that have a proven record of fighting side by side with U.S. forces and winning, Sunni Tribal militias in Iraq who also have a proven record of fighting side by side with the U.S. Military and winning, and the Kudish militias in Iraq ( those militias independent of the Iraqi military ) who also have a proven record of fighting side by side with the U.S. Military and winning.

The independent Kurdish militias also has a proven record of fighting ISIL without embedded U.S. forces ( like forward air controllers ) and winning against ISIL on their own, however, Obama refused to arm the Kurdish independent militias directly and the Shia government in Iraq refuses to transfer needed weapons sent by Washington for the Kurds, to the Kurds, and Obama will not insist.
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