17-Jun-17 World View -- Djibouti, Eritrea border clash looms after Qatar withdraws peacekeepers

[John]

17-Jun-17 World View -- Djibouti, Eritrea border clash looms after Qatar withdraws peacekeepers


Tiny Djibouti tries to survive, surrounded by big neighbors

** 17-Jun-17 World View -- Djibouti, Eritrea border clash looms after Qatar withdraws peacekeepers
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e170617


Contents:
Djibouti, Eritrea border clash looms after Qatar withdraws peacekeepers
Tiny Djibouti tries to survive, surrounded by big neighbors


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, Djibouti, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar,
Ethiopia, Camp Lemonnier, China, Issas, Afars, Somalia,
French Somaliland, Territory of the Afars and the Issas

[Millenial83]

John,

Been a while. Don't read you as often as I have grown tired of your obsessision with foreign nonsense as a means of sticking your head in the ground as the US internal ripping apart continues. I gave you a few days bit I see you are intent on ignoring the mass assination attempt of gop members of Congress. Seriously John how much longer are you going to ignore the possibility that our crisis war won't be with China but instead will be a civil war?

[John]

> John, Been a while. Don't read you as often as I have grown tired
> of your obsession with foreign nonsense as a means of sticking
> your head in the ground as the US internal ripping apart
> continues. I gave you a few days bit I see you are intent on
> ignoring the mass assassination attempt of gop members of
> Congress. Seriously John how much longer are you going to ignore
> the possibility that our crisis war won't be with China but
> instead will be a civil war?

Seriously, whoever you are, who exactly is going to be fighting whom
in your civil war fantasy? Perhaps you think that Utah is going to
raise an army and invade California, or that some other red state is
going to invade a blue state. Or maybe you think that the Mormons are
going to rise up and kill all the Protestants. If you do, you're a
moron.

[jmm1184]

Brief generational history of the Darfur civil war in Sudan

In your article you mentioned that the last crisis war for Darfur was WWII? But how can that be? There were no campaigns in Sudan and to my knowledge it was a non-crisis war for Sudan if it affected Sudan at all. From what I've read there appear to have been no wars between 1916 and 1955 in the region, 1916 being the time when the British Empire conquered Darfur and incorporated it into British-ruled Sudan. It was touched by the Mahdi Uprising but its not readily clear whether or not it was a crisis war for the Darfuris, and that would be too long for its last crisis war to have occurred (104 years between climax and regeneracy) or is it?

[John]

> Brief generational history of the Darfur civil war in Sudan

> In your article you mentioned that the last crisis war for Darfur
> was WWII? But how can that be? There were no campaigns in Sudan
> and to my knowledge it was a non-crisis war for Sudan if it
> affected Sudan at all. From what I've read there appear to have
> been no wars between 1916 and 1955 in the region, 1916 being the
> time when the British Empire conquered Darfur and incorporated it
> into British-ruled Sudan. It was touched by the Mahdi Uprising but
> its not readily clear whether or not it was a crisis war for the
> Darfuris, and that would be too long for its last crisis war to
> have occurred (104 years between climax and regeneracy) or is
> it?

I always like to use the Kansas example -- WW II was a generational
crisis war for Kansas (and Iceland and Switzerland), even though the
war never occurred on their soil.

The 9/11/2001 attacks traumatized the entire country, even though they
only occurred in NYC and DC.

So what happened to Sudan in WW II? I googled "Sudan in world war ii"
and came up with this:

http://www.britishmilitaryhistory.co.uk ... 11&start=0

> East, West and South Africa 1930 - 1947
> =======================================
>
> British Troops in The Sudan 1930 - 1947
>
> The Sudan became a condominium ruled jointly and equally by the United
> Kingdom and Egypt following the British victory over the Mahdists at
> the Battle of Omdurman on 2 September 1898. After the Great War (First
> World War) and the break up of the Ottoman Empire, there was increased
> tension in Egypt and the Sudan. The assassination of the
> Governor-General of the Sudan in 1924 led to the British government
> imposing demands on the Egyptian government which resulted in the
> dissolution of the condominium.
>
> In 1925, the country was made a Protectorate of the United Kingdom. A
> local armed police or militia was formed that year entitled the Sudan
> Defence Force (S.D.F.) to maintain law and order in the country
> following the withdrawal of Egyptian officers and units from the
> Sudan.
>
> In 1930, British Troops in the Sudan was a subsidiary command of
> British Troops in Egypt for the purposes of administration, although
> it remained separate operationally. The commandant of the Sudan
> Defence Force was a Temporary Brigadier, who held the rank of Local
> Major General. He also held the dual responsibility as General Officer
> Commanding British Troops in the Sudan. He had a small staff of one
> Colonel and fourteen other officers to assist him.
>
> There were usually two British infantry battalions posted to the Sudan
> between the wars. By the outbreak of the Second World War, this had
> been increased to three. The entry of Italy into the war potentially
> made the Sudan vulnerable to attack from Eritrea and Abyssinia. The
> Commander-in-Chief, Middle East (General WAVELL) decided to attack the
> Eritrea and Abyssinia, which also removed the potential threat to the
> sea routes to the Far East.
>
> The build up of forces commenced in September 1940 with the arrival of
> the 5 Indian Infantry Division from India. It only consisted of two
> brigades, so the three British battalions were absorbed into the
> division. Local probing attacks commenced in November, with the 4
> Indian Infantry Division arriving from Egypt in December 1940. This
> allowed the advance into Eritrea to commence in January 1941.
>
> Both Indian formations advanced rapidly until they met fierce
> resistence at the Keren pass. The fighting there lasted from 2
> February until 27 March 1941. Eventually, through a determined series
> of attacks and sound tactics, the Indian formations forced the
> Italians to withdraw, and Eritrea was secured. The 4 Indian Infantry
> Division was sent back to Egypt in mid April 1941, but the 5 Indian
> Infantry Division remained to drive southwards to meet up with the
> South Africans in May. A coordinated attack on the Toselli Pass by the
> Indians and South Africans forced the main elements of the Italian
> Army to surrender on 19 May 1941.
>
> The Sudan then returned to a quiet backwater, with a military presence
> to police the country and garrison Eritrea. The last British troops
> left the Sudan on 16 August 1955.
>
> Download documents
>
> Chronology of Events[2]
> » East Africa Chronology of Events
>
> Order of Battle Structure Diagram(s)[3]
> » 41.01 British Troops in The Sudan
>
> Higher Formations History and Personnel[4]
> » British Troops in The Sudan History & Personnel
>
> Command Troops[5]
> » British Troops In The Sudan Command Troops
>
> Divisional Formations[6]» 5 Indian Division (1940-41) [7]
> » 4 Indian Division (1941)
>
> [8]« return to index
>
> 1. ?nid=11&start=0
> 2. /webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/Chronology_of_Events_East_Africa.pdf
> 3. /webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/41.01_British_Troops_in_The_Sudan.pdf
> 4. /webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/British-Troops-in-The-Sudan-History-Personnel.pdf
> 5. /webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/Command_Troops_Sudan__1941_.pdf
> 6. /webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/5_Indian_Division__1940_41_.pdf
> 7. /webeasycms/hold/uploads/bmh_document_pdf/4_Indian_Division__1941_.pdf
> 8. ?nid=11&start=0

http://www.britishmilitaryhistory.co.uk ... 11&start=0


So there was heavy involvment of Egypt, Eritrea and Abyssinia, and
there was enough fear concerning Sudan so that Britain posted three
infantry battalions to the Sudan, which was on the Red Sea, wedged
between Egypt and Eritrea. This was followed by the arrival of 5
Indian Infantry Divisions from India into Eritrea.

Here's a link that gives details of the "Invasion of Italian East
Africa 19 Jan 1941 - 16 May 1941."

http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=108

It refers to the Indian troops as the "Sudan Force," suggesting that
this was considered an attack on Sudan, even though it didn't take
place on Sudan's soil.

[jmm1184]

Interesting! But how were the local Sudanese involved? The descriptions above seems to involve the British and the Indians, who were both in a crisis war/era (I'm not sure if WWII counts as part of the crisis war for India, but the more I read about India's involvement the more I'm inclined to think so).

The war never touched Kansas, but its people sent their soldiers to fight, so there was active involvement. Switzerland and Iceland are trickier, but in the case of Switzerland they were fully prepared for invasion and shared strong cultural and personal ties to the surrounding regions - same with Iceland.

I'm not hearing much involvement from the Sudanese in the above descriptions, but I could be wrong.

[John]

> Interesting! But how were the local Sudanese involved? The
> descriptions above seems to involve the British and the Indians,
> who were both in a crisis war/era (I'm not sure if WWII counts as
> part of the crisis war for India, but the more I read about
> India's involvement the more I'm inclined to think so).

> The war never touched Kansas, but its people sent their soldiers
> to fight, so there was active involvement. Switzerland and Iceland
> are trickier, but in the case of Switzerland they were fully
> prepared for invasion and shared strong cultural and personal ties
> to the surrounding regions - same with Iceland.

> I'm not hearing much involvement from the Sudanese in the above
> descriptions, but I could be wrong.

Well, I really do believe that at least northern Sudan is tied into
Egypt. On the other hand, I recently wrote that WW II was an
Unraveling era war for Ethiopia.

** 14-Jun-16 World View -- Heavy fighting along Eritrea-Ethiopia border raises fears of war
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e160614


So perhaps southern Sudan and Darfur, which is in western Sudan, are
on different timelines.

If you do any research on the subject, please be sure to post it.

[jmm1184]

I certainly will! I too suspect that Sudan contains several different timelines, perhaps divided between South Sudan, "North" Sudan, and Darfur. But it will take quite a bit of research. When I've finished I will post my results

[John]

> I certainly will! I too suspect that Sudan contains several
> different timelines, perhaps divided between South Sudan, "North"
> Sudan, and Darfur. But it will take quite a bit of research. When
> I've finished I will post my results

Thanks!

[John]

Back when Nathan G was always arguing with me, some information on
generational timeliness for some tribes related to Central African
Republic was generated:

*** Expanding certain crisis lists

http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2652

Some of this information may relate to what you want to do. At any
rate, please keep this information together with your own research so
that it won't get lost. Thanks.