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aedens
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Higgenbotham wrote:Shanghai is showing preliminary signs of reversing tonight. It popped up to a new high and then dropped below support levels from the past 2 days:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=000001.SS&t=5d

Very preliminary but could be significant.
A Nasdaq spokeswoman said the exchange had no comment beyond a letter Greifeld sent to the SEC on Monday, in which he called for the elimination of "any order types or market structure policies that do not contribute to public price formation and market transparency."

Greifeld's letter listed "flash orders, internalized orders, enhanced liquidity providers, Block Talk orders, and dark pools," as order types that do not support price formation.

Nasdaq and rival BATS Exchange started on June 3 "flashing" buy and sell orders to exchange members, including big banks and hedge funds -- closely mirroring a service offered by alternative venue Direct Edge, which long offered the service to a smaller group of market participants, and was growing its market share at the exchanges' expense.

The SEC has not proposed a rule to ban the flashes, optional services that alert computer-trading programs to the intentions of investors. Flashes are also available in some anonymous trading venues known as dark pools.
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aedens
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Higgenbotham wrote:Shanghai is showing preliminary signs of reversing tonight. It popped up to a new high and then dropped below support levels from the past 2 days:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=000001.SS&t=5d

Very preliminary but could be significant.
Asian markets retreat amid bubble worries AP hat tip Higgy
I seen Euro was up? Hmm, got me there...
Gold Price Close Today : 939.10
Change: -14.40 or -1.5%

Silver Price Close Today : 13.735
Change: -25.0 cents or -1.8%
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Shanghai made a new high last evening and closed down 5% this morning (US time). 5% is a big move down.

The reversal occurred 1 day ahead of my Tulip Mania model. The model indicated the high would have occurred this evening, July 29, in the US (the morning of July 30 in Shanghai) instead of last evening, July 28, in the US.

The Category 5 financial hurricane may be hitting landfall. We can't know for sure though.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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Insider sales I have noted. I will sell before August 19 th what Equity I have left which is 13.4% left. As we assumed the back wall is coming.
Cannot hurt to walk out orderly and see what clears.
Higgenbotham wrote:Shanghai made a new high last evening and closed down 5% this morning (US time). 5% is a big move down.

The reversal occurred 1 day ahead of my Tulip Mania model. The model indicated the high would have occurred this evening, July 29, in the US (the morning of July 30 in Shanghai) instead of last evening, July 28, in the US.

The Category 5 financial hurricane may be hitting landfall. We can't know for sure though.
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gerald wrote:Since may think we are heading for some interesting times. I would like to throw a question out to the readers of this forum.
If a person wanted to only MAINTAIN the buying power of his net worth over the next four years, in what way should he be positioned?
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse
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Dear Higgie,
Higgenbotham wrote: > Shanghai made a new high last evening and closed down 5% this
> morning (US time). 5% is a big move down.

> The reversal occurred 1 day ahead of my Tulip Mania model. The
> model indicated the high would have occurred this evening, July
> 29, in the US (the morning of July 30 in Shanghai) instead of last
> evening, July 28, in the US.

> The Category 5 financial hurricane may be hitting landfall. We
> can't know for sure though.
In the last couple of days, following your forecast and aedens'
postings, I've been looking at some of the issues in China's economy.

One important indicator has been copper prices, which appear to be
peaking. China has been using stimulus money to stockpile copper and
other commodities, but by now has stockpiled more than it can use.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... EtKUzeuRFc

Another issue is that the rush to use stimulus money is causing
people rush construction projects, to use the money quickly, rather
than take more time to do it right.

One spectacular failure is a building in Shanghai that seems to have
toppled over on its side.

Image
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinajournal/2009/ ... ly-intact/
> According to Shanghai Daily, initial investigations
> attribute the accident to the excavations for the construction of
> a garage under the collapsed building. Large quantities of earth
> were removed and dumped in a landfill next to a nearby creek; the
> weight of the earth caused the river bank to collapse, which, in
> turn, allowed water to seep into the ground, creating a muddy
> foundation for the building that toppled.
In fact, in Shanghai, "While the real estate market appears to be is
in the midst of a boom, defaults among developers are also beginning
to rise. Small and medium developers are resorting to faking sales to
get bank loans to relieve their funding pressure."
http://www.chinastakes.com/2009/7/real- ... ctics.html

This is interesting from a theoretical point of view because it's a
very powerful illustration of the Law of Diminishing returns.

In this case, China has been pouring money into certain kinds of
projects, but other ingredients are missing -- particular the demand
for the products being developed. The result is that the people are
burning through the money in any way possible, without concern for
whether the result is of any use to anyone.

This has led to a Chinese economy that's completely unbalanced,
according to one one well-known analyst, Jeremy Grantham, who says,
"My colleague, Edward Chancellor, strongly suspects that the Chinese
economy is dangerously unbalanced and very likely to come unhinged in
the next few quarters, surprising the pants off investors."
http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-bl ... pse-2009-7

Chinese officials themselves are also concerned that the stimulus
money is just being channeled into new real estate and stock market
bubbles.
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/07 ... g-bubbles/

For many years, China has had an export-led economy. With the
downturn in the US, China's economy has been in chaos. Here's a
graph of China's trade balance:

Image

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/200 ... res_4.html

People often ask me what's going to happen to China, especially since
China has been a creditor nation, while the US has been a debtor
nation. The implication was that China would do well, while the US
would do poorly. But all you have to do is look at America in the
1930s, to see that a creditor nation suffers just as much in a Great
Depression.

Chinese officials are now trying to change the Chinese people from
savers to spenders. Fat chance of that. China is in the middle of a
financial crisis and, just like Americans in the 1930s, the Chinese
are going to change from savers to super-savers.

In fact, I still believe that the best way to understand what's going
on in the world right now is to look at "The Bubble that Broke the
World," with China today playing the role of the US then.

** The bubble that broke the world
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... rett071009


However, I'd like to go back to the earlier discussion of Richard
Koo's presentation of the fiscal stimulus programs:

** Fiscal stimulus programs in 1930s and today
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 01#e090401


and I'd like to quote a few paragraphs:
> Audience question: Where would the stimulus money best be spent?
> Answer: Historically, the best way is military spending, because
> it creates demand, without creating supply. That's why economies
> recover quickly. But if you increase both demand and supply,
> then they start chasing each other. If you want the smallest
> budget deficit, and largest bang for money, that's the best way.
> Koo said he's not here to advocate military spending. "There are
> lots of roads and bridges here needing repair." ...

> Koo's most dramatic remarks came at the very end. FDR's spending
> programs didn't end the 1930s Depression. World War II did.
> Spending on the military, according to Koo, gives the highest
> "bang for the buck."

> Koo said Hitler did everything right -- spending massively on the
> military. (He would be forgiven for not mentioning that probably
> the Japanese did everything right as well.) He expressed the hope
> that this worldwide financial crisis would not allow dictatorships
> to get ahead of democracies.

> What dictatorships is he talking about? Well, maybe Russia, but
> you can be sure that he's thinking of China.

> A few days ago, ..., I discussed the rapid military buildup that
> China is pursuing.

> China is now embarking on a very aggressive fiscal stimulus plan.
> China doesn't say how much of the stimulus is going into the
> military. But China has already been increasing the military
> budget by 10-20% a year for years, as they prepare for war with
> the United States. I think it's quite certain that China will
> take advantage of this fiscal stimulus program to further increase
> military spending.

> In the US, by contrast, President Obama is planning to cut
> weapons systems. As the world becomes increasingly dangerous, the
> US is becoming weaker.

> I don't know whether Koo intended this when he made those final
> remarks about Hitler, but he illuminated a fast-approaching world
> in which the US and the world's democracies will be stumbling
> forward with social programs and bridges to nowhere, while China
> is turning into a high-powered military machine, preparing for
> war.
However else China is spending its fiscal stimulus money, there's
little doubt in my mind that a lot of China's stimulus money is going
into the military, preparing for war with the US.

Returning now to the overnight fall in the Shanghai stock market,
we'll have to wait and see where that goes. It's possible that
Chinese investors, who were burned a couple of years ago when the
Shanghai market collapsed, will now cause a panic out of fear of
being burned again. The same thing could happen on Wall Street.
We'll have to see.

Sincerely,

John
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I hope you guys will excuse a short rant. I just need to get this out of my system.

When virtually every private citizen loses money in the stock market how do you make $3.4 billion trading in three months!? You cheat. You have inside information. The rally started when Citi reported it would post a profit. Is there any doubt that Citi had its bets down before the announcement? Is there any doubt that Goldman new Citi was going to make the announcement and had its bets down too? Not in my mind. But the poor private citizen (me) who had done his research and saw that the market could only end up much lower had no clue and saw his 2X inverse fund get smacked down hard.

And was there ever a doubt in Goldman’s mind during the rally that the rally had legs, as there was in the normal investor’s mind? Nope. Goldman knew that trillions had been let loose to levitate the market because the money either came from them or came through them from the Fed. Goldman knew exactly what was happening, why it was happening and where the market was going – and had all their bets down accordingly.

As Richard Russell said about the bailout, "It all stinks to high heaven."

Now the Dow Theory has turned on a bull signal because the transports went above their June high, and this will certainly pull more money into the market. But weren’t we just reading about the “plunge in rail-car loadings”? Dow Theory interprets a rise in Transports as meaning that people are buying things again and the merchandise is being delivered. But we know that’s not happening. As Russell said June 13, “Frankly, I’m surprised that the Fed hasn’t manipulated the Transport Average and forced it to confirm, after all there are only 20 Transport stocks in that Average.” I think they read Russell’s comment.

Thanks. I feel better now.

steveA
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I got some reading to do thanks for the additional links John, will catch up.
I could not find the graph for Sector hirings on Richard
Koo's presentation of the fiscal stimulus programs.
Basically it was nice to see but not enough to swing
numbers. There is some traction but erosion to larger
gradualism of net loss to GNP
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The wrecking-ball is swinging in Chicago. The city's housing authority has demolished ten high-rise public-housing buildings, including one in the notorious Robert Taylor Homes, and has plans to demolish nearly 20 more. It is not merely toppling buildings; it is striking at half a century of flawed housing policy. The Chicago Housing Authority (CHA), long considered the country's worst public housing agency, has a plan to move people out of isolated, decrepit high-rise buildings into mixed-income developments and private housing. The agency's new task, says its executive director, Joseph Shuldiner, is not just housing the poor. It is providing people with homes they can afford but can also bear to live in. No different than GD dynamics at work.
The root of the matter is private versus public capital losses. https://www.realpoint.com/RPLogin.aspx
China can solve it if they can separate capital allocations to private quality standards with minimal state interference. It is just references of dynamics of lessons learned. We go from extremes of malinvestment and Washington thinks sticking there hand in our pocket will change anything about holding contract to terms and capital issues in the private sector.
Name a few sectors where government has excelled? Decent highways that need repair and some great public works build on best practise in there level of innovation but not stable CPI numbers. Bear in mind, I haven't conceded that any "cost of living" index is suitable for stabilizing the value of promises which people make to each other. Import Certificates Plan to balance trade. Gomory is the third of our business leaders to advocate balancing trade through import certificates. He was preceded by Warren Buffett and Texas businessman Dick Alexander.


In fact, in Shanghai, "While the real estate market appears to be is
in the midst of a boom, defaults among developers are also beginning
to rise. Small and medium developers are resorting to faking sales to
get bank loans to relieve their funding pressure."
http://www.chinastakes.com/2009/7/real- ... ctics.html

John's conveyance ====>This is interesting from a theoretical point of view because it's a
very powerful illustration of the Law of Diminishing returns.
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SP500 PE Ratio is Now at 723!

http://www.safehaven.com/article-14045.htm

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