27-Apr-18 World View -- North Korea's negotiating position collapses, along with Mount Mantap

[Cynic Hero 86]

Go through history, political grandstanding is what you do before you attack someone.

Spot on.

Any thoughts on how long it will take for Trump to attack North Korea, John? Reading the South China Post this afternoon at work, I read an article on the new aircraft carrier, but it seems years away from being fully functional.

They (the Chinese) keep announcing their new carrier that is years away from being fully functional. They say it so often that I am beginning to believe it is disinformation; I am starting to think they're a lot further along than they want us to know. Hell, ten years ago they were beginning 'trials' of their new carrier, so something isn't right about their proclamations. Plus, their islands in the South China Sea make carriers unnecessary. New anti-ship missile technology makes carriers and large ships nothing more than sitting targets.

Except that China has announced their intention to build a Chinese Carrier Fleet. I don't get the notion on this forum that China would never build aircraft carriers. They have the recently completed Carrier and several more under construction.

[Guest]

When WW3 starts, I expect the aircraft carriers to be sunk first.

[John]

> KCNA Blasts U.S. and S. Korea for Staging Large-scale Military
> Drill against DPRK

> Date: 16/05/2018 | Source: KCNA.kp (En)

> Pyongyang, May 16 (KCNA) -- KCNA made public the following report
> on May 16:

> The south Korean authorities, together with the U.S., has been
> staging the largest-ever "2018 Max Thunder" joint air drill
> throughout south Korea since May 11 in a bid to make a preemptive
> air strike at the DPRK and win the air.

> Involved in the drill are over 100 fighters of various missions
> including B-52 strategic nuclear bombers and F-22 Raptor stealth
> fighters under the supervision of the U.S. imperialist aggressor
> forces in south Korea and the south Korean air force. It is to
> last till May 25.

> Public opinions at home and abroad comment that the maneuver is
> the largest-ever and a reflection of the invariable stand of the
> U.S. and south Korea to persist in the "maximum pressure and
> sanctions" against the DPRK.

> The DPRK-targeted drill across south Korea is an undisguised
> challenge to the Panmunjom Declaration and a deliberate military
> provocation to the trend of the favorably developing situation on
> the Korean Peninsula.

> The north and the south solemnly declared in the declaration that
> a new peace era was ushered in and reached an agreement on making
> joint efforts to defuse the acute military tensions on the
> peninsula and substantially ease the danger of war and the
> U.S. also fully supported it.

> However, even before the ink of the historic April 27 Declaration
> got dry, the south Korean authorities and the U.S. started such a
> drill against the DPRK, reacting to all the peace-loving efforts
> and good intentions which the DPRK has shown with rude and wicked
> provocation and arousing serious concern and disappointment among
> all the fellow countrymen and the international community wanting
> the declaration to be implemented.

> If the U.S. and the south Korean authorities regard the phase of
> improving inter-Korean ties and the DPRK-U.S. dialogue provided by
> the proactive and broadminded efforts and measures of the DPRK as
> something allowed any time and any hour, then they are sadly
> mistaken.

> The south Korean authorities, in particular, resorted to such
> improper acts quite contrary to the promise to make efforts for
> the peace, prosperity and reunification on the peninsula together
> with the north and are allowing even human scum to brazenly hurl
> mud at the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK and its
> system and play down the Panmunjom Declaration in front of the
> building of the "National Assembly".

> There is a limit in showing goodwill and offering opportunity.

> The historic Panmunjom Declaration cannot be implemented by the
> unilateral efforts of a single party but can result in a good
> fruition only when the two parties create favorable conditions and
> climate by pooling their efforts.

> We cannot but take a step of suspending
> the north-south high-level talks scheduled on May 16 under the
> prevailing seriously awful situation that a mad-cap north-targeted
> war and confrontation racket are being kicked up in south Korea.

> The south Korean authorities, lost to all senses, should be held
> wholly accountable for the scuttled north-south high-level talks
> and the difficulties and obstacles in the way of the north-south
> relations.

> The U.S. will have to think twice about the fate of the DPRK-U.S.
> summit now on high agenda before a provocative military racket
> against the DPRK in league with the south Korean
> authorities.

> We will closely watch the ensuing behavior of the U.S. and the
> south Korean authorities.

> https://kcnawatch.co/newstream/15264216 ... inst-dprk/

Someone in North Korea must have read my article:

** 13-May-18 World View -- Likely outcome of Trump-Kim North Korea summit: Mutual recriminations and accusations

** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e180513

According to some reports, the reason that North Korea has rescinded
its invitation to nuclear experts to witness the destruction of Mount
Mantap is because they don't want the public to know what activities
were being performed there. They're blasting all the tunnels shut for
the same reason.

[Guest]

I still bet my money on Kim knowing that he is a brutal and sadistic dictator.

Presently, any discussions about two Koreas unification is a total nonsense. But the time is well past-due (at least 50 years) to declare an official end of the military confrontation on the Korean peninsula.

In a meantime, Kim is very busy building & assembling more and more thermonuclear warheads. The time is on Kim his side. All these Chinese sanctions are BS since the "humanitarian" trade is going fool speed.

As a side note, Kim has lots of nuclear and rocket technologies for sale to "right" buyers.

[Guest]

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea threw next month's unprecedented summit between Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump into doubt on Wednesday, threatening weeks of diplomatic progress by saying it may reconsider if Washington insists on pursuing a one-sided denuclearization deal.

Like no one saw this coming?

[Guest]

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea threw next month's unprecedented summit between Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump into doubt on Wednesday, threatening weeks of diplomatic progress by saying it may reconsider if Washington insists on pursuing a one-sided denuclearization deal.

Like no one saw this coming?

This is what NK does. They squeal until they get something they want then a few years go by and it starts again.

Donald Trump was played like a fiddle.

[Guest]

The art of the deal....Once the deal has been made, you must honor and follow through on the deal. Because if you don't, it'll be very difficult to make any future deals. Paris Climate Agreement, Canceled. Iran Nuclear Agreement, Canceled. Trans-Pacific-Partnership, Canceled. Three divorces, and a current defacto separation. 6 bankruptcies.

[JCP]

The art of the deal....Once the deal has been made, you must honor and follow through on the deal. Because if you don't, it'll be very difficult to make any future deals. Paris Climate Agreement, Canceled. Iran Nuclear Agreement, Canceled. Trans-Pacific-Partnership, Canceled. Three divorces, and a current defacto separation. 6 bankruptcies.

The North Koreans have never kept any of their promises. Don't pretend that they are honorable.

Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords (climate) because they are a scam, and he knows it. (Thank him like, ingrates.) TPP was a free trade agreement; President Trump withdrew to keep a campaign promise (imagine that). The Iran Nuclear Agreement endangered The United States and our allies, so Trump withdrew. His private life is his own. His bankruptcies were used to restructure.

Piss on you, liberals.

[CH86]

Regarding a strike on North Korea even a potential Chinese Intervention could be managed, this is How.

1) After some planning the US goes to a surprise mobilization of forces in the vicinity of north Korea. Nuclear precaution exercises would have been implemented throughout the pacific command theater.

2). The US Nukes North Korea in a full-scale annihilatory nuclear strike.

3) At the Same time as the Attack on North Korea, Donald Trump Contacts Xi Jinping on the hotline. In the heated discussion, Trump tells Xi that any Chinese strike on the US would be met with the same destruction on China that the US had just visited on NK. At this point the Chinese either A) back down and stand down to a lower state of readiness, or B) the they do not. For the purpose of this discussion scenario B) is utilized. Trump Warns Xi the above situation but also acknowledges the Chinese treaty with NK, he tells Xi that a Chinese counterattack on the US WOULD be met with a full-scale annihilatory strike on china but a counterattack confined to the bases adjacent to NK would NOT be met with a full-scale retaliatory counter-strike.

4). Xi comes to agreement with Trump because here he can say he didn't back down to the US and even gave the US a bloody nose as no one outside of the inner circles of the Chinese and American administrations would have knowledge of the actual situation.

5) China nukes the aforementioned bases, the US retaliates against the Chinese flotillas in the SCS and Indian Ocean but launches no strike on China itself as per the hotline agreement. The exchange ends.

6.) As a result of the Korean nuclear Exchange. South Korea and Japan probably go nuclear and assemble sizable arsenals very quickly. Their Conventional and Nuclear forces become a useful barrier against any Chinese advance. The US beefs military capabilities back to cold war Levels and quickly exceeding cold war levels with a 5 million man standing Military and a 50,000 nuke arsenal. China backs of from attempts to "strike eastwards" but pursues a conquest strategy within Mainland Asia and a "nibbling" strategy in southeast Asia.

7.) Due to the Changed geopolitical environment Putin becomes much weaker on the world stage than he is now because Chinese expansionism is now directed against areas that are important to Russia but are strategically worthless to the US.

[Guest]

Sounds too easy.

There is no doubt China has spent extensive amounts of time planning for the scenario where U.S. strikes NK. Calling to offer a deal by that point will just look weak and embolden them. Either they will be ready to strike back with full anticipation of retaliation from the U.S. or they won't be ready but have some other trick up their sleeve that doesn't involve nukes, possibly a cyber threat, maybe financial. I wouldn't be surprised, with the depth China has penetrated the U.S., if they have some other latent internal threats waiting.

There is no such thing as managing chaos once the dogs are released. The U.S. cannot go into this with any pretenses. Everything after the strike is completely up in the air. The Assads, Putins, and Erdogans of the world will use the uncertainty this event creates to grab something they have had their eye on.