15-May-18 World View -- Gaza violence surges in Palestinian 'Great March for Return' into Israel

[Cynic Hero 86]

Your reference to a society's "way of life" is significant here. Some aspects of culture become unimportant. Others become even more important than ever. In determining what aspects of a society's culture (or way of life) will be the most important, we should not look at what if fought like in previous non-crisis wars. Rather, we should look at what it fought for in previous-crisis wars. We should also look at what the perceived differences are between a society's own culture and its enemy's.

So for Americans, important cultural values fought for in previous crisis wars include: opposition of foreign rule, personal freedom, abolition of slavery, the English language (at least compared to German), and abhorrence of death camps. So as extreme examples, no mater how bad things get we will not see the United States swearing allegiance to the British Crown for protection, importing slaves to work its farms and supply its army, or extermination several million people in gas chambers. These things are simply anathema to the American way of life.

I disagree with John on the origins of wars but regarding "American values" it is not inherent american-ness and/or inherent un-american-ness that prevents such actions for being carried out by the US. Only the tyranny imposed by the boomers is what prevents the US from taking the gloves OFF.

The commenters on this thread have been discussing what the US has and hasn't done in previous crisis wars. Boomers weren't in power then. The roots of culture run very deep and can never be limited to a single generation.

The background of the American Revolution has prevented Americans from yielding to a foreign power. In the American Civil War, neither side sought or would have accepted the intervention of a European military on American soil. Even in WWII when the US and the UK formed a joint military command structure, the American side insisted that the top general be American. This sentiment predated the boomers and will go on long after the boomers are gone, because it was the object of a crisis war.

Similarly, it is impossible for the US to revert to slave labor to win a war, even a crisis war. The abolition of slavery was the object of the American Civil War. This does not preclude all forced labor, as the draft has been culturally isolated from slavery, having been used in the ACW and afterwards (although the draft is still a violation of the 13th amendment). But any form of clear slavery especially importation of foreign slaves will not and cannot be done by boomers or anyone else.

There are other values that Americans cannot transgress because they are contrary to the American way of life. Some have even been the object of a previous crisis war, such as opposition to the Nazi death camps. This is not one generation but the culture of an entire civilization with roots stretching back to antiquity. When boomers are gone, things will change but we will still be Americans.

It is only boomer tyranny that maintains these values, because that is simply not how most Xers and Millies see as "American-ness"(well the second and third of the above values can only be maintained by tyranny, most younger people are fanatical supporters of the first value). What Matters to Xers and Millies would not be if whether our troops fight as the "good guys" or the "bad guys". We don't care one jot if the troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them and subsequently burying the bodies in pits, we don't care if those soldiers are Americans. What matters to us if that America continues to be supreme and the America continues to be populated by people who look like us and have a culture that is ours and derived/descended from ours. The Boomer when they realized that Xers and millies would never embrace their moral code, the boomer subsequently embraced selfishness, a selfishness that had its roots in the desire to turn young people into boy scouts for the boomers morals against the young's will. A hypothetical example of the delusional boomer code, for example a terrorist murders innocent civilians en masse and your wife is among the dead, later on the terrorist forces are defeated but the terrorist commander surrendered rather than commit suicide. Under the boomers delusional moral code; you cannot execute the terrorist leader unless there was a trial and he is formally convicted of the crime. Under the boomers there is a mass waste for time and resources in order to achieve results that contradict human nature. We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

... We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

..is that the stinky scent of psychopathic genocidal babies with delusions of grandeur who are crazed with power-lust and blood-lust?

Or simply overloaded diapers obsessively clung to because "they're MINE!"?

No aloha for you! <chuckle!>

[Cynic Hero 86]

... We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

..is that the stinky scent of psychopathic genocidal babies with delusions of grandeur who are crazed with power-lust and blood-lust?

Or simply overloaded diapers obsessively clung to because "they're MINE!"?

No aloha for you! <chuckle!>

The neocons are destined for the dustbin of history as well as the globalist geezers that provide their supports. The Boomers and neocons chose to sell out the west and America, therefore westerners and Americans should have no further interests in the globalists survival. The neocons implemented tyranny, the democrats are pathetic controlled opposition (why do you think they always advocate unilateral disarmament). The Citizens are growing restless over this tyranny. Virtuous Americans (and other westerners and anglophones) such as The Dutiful and patriotic soldier, the Muscular construction worker, the lanky college nerd, the blonde or brunette cold as ice businesswoman and the grizzled tattooed or shaved head working class white and his counterpart the burly "minority" gangster type. All of these groups will exist long after the illiterate "drawl" accented american, the dogmatic academic professors (think of Hitchens, Kagan and Davis Hanson here) and their ally the nerdy globalistic pond scum type whose have last names often end in "stein" or "berg"; long after these three groups have passed into the gravestone of history and that the rest of us has pissed on their graves. The rest of us regard these three pro-globalist demographics as essentially untermenschen, as basically subhuman yokels.

[GenX]

... We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

..is that the stinky scent of psychopathic genocidal babies with delusions of grandeur who are crazed with power-lust and blood-lust?

Or simply overloaded diapers obsessively clung to because "they're MINE!"?

No aloha for you! <chuckle!>

Yes, it is. This 'Cynic' is a psychopath. Cynic, are you by any chance Serbian? Methinks you are. Why not move to Serbia, the land of rape and genocide, and live there? Oh, wait. Serbia is a bankrupt sewer that has been spending the last two decades busily reaping the whirlwind...

No aloha for you! <chuckle!>

No, aloha for the Cynic from me either.

[Guest]

It is only boomer tyranny that maintains these values, because that is simply not how most Xers and Millies see as "American-ness"(well the second and third of the above values can only be maintained by tyranny, most younger people are fanatical supporters of the first value). What Matters to Xers and Millies would not be if whether our troops fight as the "good guys" or the "bad guys". We don't care one jot if the troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them and subsequently burying the bodies in pits, we don't care if those soldiers are Americans. What matters to us if that America continues to be supreme and the America continues to be populated by people who look like us and have a culture that is ours and derived/descended from ours. The Boomer when they realized that Xers and millies would never embrace their moral code, the boomer subsequently embraced selfishness, a selfishness that had its roots in the desire to turn young people into boy scouts for the boomers morals against the young's will. A hypothetical example of the delusional boomer code, for example a terrorist murders innocent civilians en masse and your wife is among the dead, later on the terrorist forces are defeated but the terrorist commander surrendered rather than commit suicide. Under the boomers delusional moral code; you cannot execute the terrorist leader unless there was a trial and he is formally convicted of the crime. Under the boomers there is a mass waste for time and resources in order to achieve results that contradict human nature. We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

I am a Millennial and so are most of my friends. The Millennials I know despise and are sickened by the methods of Assad, including his mass extermination and industrial scale torture. It is true that many of my peers have never heard of Milosevic. But my Millennial friends are furious when they hear of "troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them" and we would be doubly furious if the troops were Americans. Just because you have no morals doesn't mean than your whole generation is depraved. Just you.

[CH86]

It is only boomer tyranny that maintains these values, because that is simply not how most Xers and Millies see as "American-ness"(well the second and third of the above values can only be maintained by tyranny, most younger people are fanatical supporters of the first value). What Matters to Xers and Millies would not be if whether our troops fight as the "good guys" or the "bad guys". We don't care one jot if the troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them and subsequently burying the bodies in pits, we don't care if those soldiers are Americans. What matters to us if that America continues to be supreme and the America continues to be populated by people who look like us and have a culture that is ours and derived/descended from ours. The Boomer when they realized that Xers and millies would never embrace their moral code, the boomer subsequently embraced selfishness, a selfishness that had its roots in the desire to turn young people into boy scouts for the boomers morals against the young's will. A hypothetical example of the delusional boomer code, for example a terrorist murders innocent civilians en masse and your wife is among the dead, later on the terrorist forces are defeated but the terrorist commander surrendered rather than commit suicide. Under the boomers delusional moral code; you cannot execute the terrorist leader unless there was a trial and he is formally convicted of the crime. Under the boomers there is a mass waste for time and resources in order to achieve results that contradict human nature. We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

I am a Millennial and so are most of my friends. The Millennials I know despise and are sickened by the methods of Assad, including his mass extermination and industrial scale torture. It is true that many of my peers have never heard of Milosevic. But my Millennial friends are furious when they hear of "troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them" and we would be doubly furious if the troops were Americans. Just because you have no morals doesn't mean than your whole generation is depraved. Just you.

You must be an SJW?

[Guest]

It is only boomer tyranny that maintains these values, because that is simply not how most Xers and Millies see as "American-ness"(well the second and third of the above values can only be maintained by tyranny, most younger people are fanatical supporters of the first value). What Matters to Xers and Millies would not be if whether our troops fight as the "good guys" or the "bad guys". We don't care one jot if the troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them and subsequently burying the bodies in pits, we don't care if those soldiers are Americans. What matters to us if that America continues to be supreme and the America continues to be populated by people who look like us and have a culture that is ours and derived/descended from ours. The Boomer when they realized that Xers and millies would never embrace their moral code, the boomer subsequently embraced selfishness, a selfishness that had its roots in the desire to turn young people into boy scouts for the boomers morals against the young's will. A hypothetical example of the delusional boomer code, for example a terrorist murders innocent civilians en masse and your wife is among the dead, later on the terrorist forces are defeated but the terrorist commander surrendered rather than commit suicide. Under the boomers delusional moral code; you cannot execute the terrorist leader unless there was a trial and he is formally convicted of the crime. Under the boomers there is a mass waste for time and resources in order to achieve results that contradict human nature. We Xers and Millies admire the methods of Assad and earlier Milosevic, and want to organize a military complex in such a way that out do's those of Putin and Xi Jinping. We want the Military-industrial complex to be turned ON.

I am a Millennial and so are most of my friends. The Millennials I know despise and are sickened by the methods of Assad, including his mass extermination and industrial scale torture. It is true that many of my peers have never heard of Milosevic. But my Millennial friends are furious when they hear of "troops lining up the women and children en masse and shooting them" and we would be doubly furious if the troops were Americans. Just because you have no morals doesn't mean than your whole generation is depraved. Just you.

You must be an SJW?

I'm definitely not an SJW, and I agree with the others: you are a psycho.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

The neocons are destined for the dustbin of history as well as the globalist geezers that provide their supports. The Boomers and neocons chose to sell out the west and America, therefore westerners and Americans should have no further interests in the globalists survival. The neocons implemented tyranny, the democrats are pathetic controlled opposition (why do you think they always advocate unilateral disarmament). The Citizens are growing restless over this tyranny. Virtuous Americans (and other westerners and anglophones) such as The Dutiful and patriotic soldier, the Muscular construction worker, the lanky college nerd, the blonde or brunette cold as ice businesswoman and the grizzled tattooed or shaved head working class white and his counterpart the burly "minority" gangster type. All of these groups will exist long after the illiterate "drawl" accented american, the dogmatic academic professors (think of Hitchens, Kagan and Davis Hanson here) and their ally the nerdy globalistic pond scum type whose have last names often end in "stein" or "berg"; long after these three groups have passed into the gravestone of history and that the rest of us has pissed on their graves. The rest of us regard these three pro-globalist demographics as essentially untermenschen, as basically subhuman yokels.

Well,.. thanks for the VERY clear description of where you're coming from! Bravo..!!

I am also an enthusiastic proponent of being proud of the "worthwhile" portions of what one claims as ones "identity group".

There are two ways to deal with the dynamics of the necessary interactions between ID Groups. The uber/untermenschen (master/slave) solution (based on resentment, which stems from desperation [despair]), and the "free trade" (voluntary transactional) solution (based on anything OTHER than resentment/despair).

Any ID Group (or individual) that goes the slave/master route will have very short bursts of "success" followed by long periods of self imposed enslavement and attrition.

ID Groups who take the free trade route will be "viciously annoyed" for short periods by their slaver neighbors, but once the annoyance has been pushed back they will have long periods of "success".

The basic difference between these two poles is how they deal with the temptation to despair.

Slavers, such as your delightful self, have been driven, usually self driven, into such despair that non-despair as a "normal way of existence" is utterly unthinkable. The rage created by that is completely understandable.

The slavers of the world have their place. It is the same place (function) as any disease. It "renews" by destruction. It is the rust and mildew that never sleeps, but is also never "normal".

Diseases burn themselves out, with the help of a bit of sensible hygiene.

What we REALLY fear is disease that never ends, never relents, and redefines "normal" in perpetuity. Thus the "Zombie Meme".


Aloha and mahalo to all the non-slavers out there. <shaka nui!>

[John]

> I'm definitely not an SJW, and I agree with the others: you are a
> psycho.

And apparently extremely anti-Semitic as well.

[Guest]

^Somehow that just blew my mind. Thank you!