Financial topics

[wvbill]

How can one make intelligent decisions based on false information?

And yes, we also need a major spiritual /consciousness awaking -- things can't go on as they are.

I feel in the paradigm shift we are talking about thinking will become more intuitive and less scientific. Science can be a burden to the truly creative, holistic thinker. New ideas, inventions, etc. will just arise as a natural result of the shift in thinking...

Bill

[aedens]

http://www.themistrading.com/article_fi ... __2009.pdf

Nothing will change until it falls in any structure.

"To date, this situation has been tolerated because most investors were unaware that two different quotes
existed and could not fathom that those in charge of overseeing the markets would allow this to happen."

Larger issue apply and we have known that for decades on data strips...

[gerald]

http://www.themistrading.com/article_fi ... __2009.pdf

Nothing will change until it falls in any structure.

"To date, this situation has been tolerated because most investors were unaware that two different quotes
existed and could not fathom that those in charge of overseeing the markets would allow this to happen."

Larger issue apply and we have known that for decades on data strips...

From someone who is not market savvy or in the market at this time, I have a question.

From what I understand, the underlying reason for a market is ( and yes the following is simplistic )
1) to provide a market for new issues so that money can be invested in new creative business activities
2) to provide liquidity and to help determine the value of said securities
3) to provide discipline to management ( in the sense of market value)

If this is basically true, the article seems to indicate that the market has been altered into a money skimming racket and that it's primary purpose has been perverted.

If the market has been perverted, how do you think it will end?

[aedens]

http://www.themistrading.com/article_fi ... __2009.pdf

Nothing will change until it falls in any structure.

"To date, this situation has been tolerated because most investors were unaware that two different quotes
existed and could not fathom that those in charge of overseeing the markets would allow this to happen."

Larger issue apply and we have known that for decades on data strips...

From someone who is not market savvy or in the market at this time, I have a question.

From what I understand, the underlying reason for a market is ( and yes the following is simplistic )
1) to provide a market for new issues so that money can be invested in new creative business activities
2) to provide liquidity and to help determine the value of said securities
3) to provide discipline to management ( in the sense of market value)

If this is basically true, the article seems to indicate that the market has been altered into a money skimming racket and that it's primary purpose has been perverted.

If the market has been perverted, how do you think it will end?

http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/ci_13958896 Sample of apathy.
Both party's appear tranfixed on monetary mindset's the smart money push as in like vegetables on a plate as the forums have conveyed for a extended period. The market is not the economy since there are two attributes it posseses.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/collap ... ofitabilit

John's trendline is intact in context to GD
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... look090105

[gerald]

...
1) The Coler coil, This has been around for at least 60 years. It is a passive octagonal arrangement of magnets and windings (coils) that generate an electric current, a take off on this is http://www.freeenergy-freeelectricity.com
...

Perpetual Motion machine? I'm sorry, but you have lost all creditability with me on this one. People have been hawking this one for hundreds of years, but in violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics in that the entropy of the system must always increase, i.e. lose energy. This is true up to and including the entire universe as a system. So unless your Perpetual Motion machine is actually converting energy from some outside source, it is a hoax.

Scientific hoaxes are quite rare, but not unheard off. They can persist for long periods of time such as the English Piltdown man, but they can only persist as long as the original "researchers" are successful in hiding their raw data or destoying it in the case of East Anglia. Cracks slowly develop in their theory as more and more contrary evidence emerges and/or no one else can reproduce the experiments, i.e. the Cold Fusion hoax of the late 1980's (by the way there is still a Cold Fusion institute in Utah). Ultimately the perpetrators are shown to be the hucksters that they are sometimes well after their own deaths, but science marches on.

I agree that there is mounting evidence to refute the man made global warming theory and that ultimately it will be looked upon with ridicule in the not so distance future. It is equally true that many "well established" scientific facts have proven to be false or more accurately not completely true and this will continue in the future to refine scientific understanding; but that is hardly a justification for you to hawk your fraudulent merchandise here!

Yes, perpetual motion machines have been hoaxed for many years, centuries.
The problem is we do not understand, or even know, all of the forces of nature.
And the "free energy device' may work do to a misunderstand of some area of physics.

An example of this lack of understanding relates to gravity, there is evidence/questions regarding the uniformity of Earth's gravity over time."The Dinosaurs and the Gravity Problem" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1913389/posts

As for the electric generating device,(I have no financial interest in it but it would be nice if it worked) I believe in the free market, as long as you do not come out with something that is harmful, such as lead based ceramic coffee mugs.

If he wants to bring out an electric generator that uses no fuel and he can get investors, so what ? let the market decide. The device will work or it won't. If it doesn't work, he will look like a fool and the investors will lose money. Investors lose money all the time. Some crazy ideas are just crazy, and some become the foundations of industries. Let the investors and buyers beware. However, if it works, he will be rich, his investors will make money, the buyers will get free electricity, (after purchase ), and the environment will get less pollution. It is a win win for everybody. Hmmm --- but considering the electric utility companies, the providers of coal, oil, natural gas, uranium, their stock holders and bond holders, regulators and government taxing bodies ---hmmm---- may be we should think this through again.

One day man will connect his apparatus to the very wheelwork of the universe [...] and the very forces that motivate the planets in their orbits and cause them to rotate will rotate his own machinery. ”
—Nikola Tesla

[Higgenbotham]

It seems to me that a higher potential for a panic selloff in the stock market exists at present than has existed at any time this year. Almost every bearish advisor or blogger that I read is looking for "one more wave up", or a "Santa Claus rally", etc., then the long awaited move down. I don't see anyone pounding the table for the bearish case this week. Does anyone else have a link to someone who thinks a large move down is imminent? Yet, things have never looked more out of whack. Meanwhile, there seem to be a growing number of potential triggers out there. Granted, I was saying the same type of thing 4 months ago. I'm still short, by the way. Maybe I need to give up before the market will go down. My loss is up to 9% but I don't feel uncomfortable with that at this point given what I see.

[wvbill]

It seems to me that a higher potential for a panic selloff in the stock market exists at present than has existed at any time this year. Almost every bearish advisor or blogger that I read is looking for "one more wave up", or a "Santa Claus rally", etc., then the long awaited move down. I don't see anyone pounding the table for the bearish case this week. Does anyone else have a link to someone who thinks a large move down is imminent? Yet, things have never looked more out of whack. Meanwhile, there seem to be a growing number of potential triggers out there. Granted, I was saying the same type of thing 4 months ago. I'm still short, by the way. Maybe I need to give up before the market will go down. My loss is up to 9% but I don't feel uncomfortable with that at this point given what I see.

I agree, once this fake recovery is exposed -- either by one of the many increasing potential triggers, or just more passage of time -- it should get brutal. I have no doubt this is a Bear Market rally, but one hell of a good one... thanks to Goldman and the other "white shoe boys" as Gerrald Celente calls them.

I think people are getting ready to turn on Obama and the powers to be. They have had enough... They are beginning to really get that they are being cheated, lied to and no one cares about them, only about the banksters.

Bill

[Higgenbotham]

I think people are getting ready to turn on Obama and the powers to be. They have had enough... They are beginning to really get that they are being cheated, lied to and no one cares about them, only about the banksters.

Bill

Obama is running into trouble in the polls. I think it was Richard Russell who quoted one of the news magazine editors years ago saying something to the effect that when the President is in trouble, the stock market is in trouble. Yet this stock market continues to shrug everything off.

I've been looking hard tonight and have found one lone bear. Doug Kass said yesterday that he is bearish and short. Is he the only one? Granted, we know there are 2 sides to all futures trades. But some people talk and others don't. I wouldn't expect Goldman Sachs or Warren Buffett and the like to admit they are short, but they might be if nobody else is talking.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10641758 ... l=dontmiss

[The Grey Badger]

One lone bear. Where were you looking?

Pat, sister to Yogi and Smokey and Gentle Ben.

[Higgenbotham]

One lone bear. Where were you looking?

Pat, sister to Yogi and Smokey and Gentle Ben.

I was looking in the shopping malls. Maybe the bears were really Goldman Sachs employees dressed in Santa Claus suits (and toting handguns) as they do "God's work".